Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Zazubat]

But it's ruling says it is so the only thing we can do is figure out why or deal with it.

I suppose so. I also keep finding more and more that would make this ruling true, however still none that state "why".

It's poorly translated, but it's there: If Light of Intervention is on the field, and you summon this monster in defense mode, and use its effect to special summon E-Hero Stratos, its effect to turn to defense cannot take place (As it is already in defense), and Stratos's effect can take place.

 

Basicly it means again that if it's forced into DF by a summon it can still activate it's effect where it SS a monster. It also skips the "then" part, which means you get to activate Stratos' effect because it didn't miss the timing by the changing being after the SS.

[evilfusion]

Goblindbergh and Gogogo Ghost seem borderline unique in this sense, as there doesn't seem to be  a precedent set for cards worded that way. Maybe this was intentional so that it would work the way it does; we do seem to find cards now and then that behave differently in defiance of usual expectations, usually based on just one or two wording changes (for example, "target" vs "it/them". On the surface it looks the same, but the distinction is in that word difference)

 

Are there other cards that perform an action and then change its Battle Position to a specific state? The only ones I can think of are Gogogo Giant, Gogogo Ghost, and Goblindbergh. Other cards that seem similar change their positions first (and usually specify they have to be in the opposite position to activate- Lyla, Wind-Up Rat).

[Aix]

Wait, Light and Darkness Dragon can't negate if its ATK is below 500 right?

[evilfusion]

Wait, Light and Darkness Dragon can't negate if its ATK is below 500 right?

 

Correct, but it still must activate as it's mandatory. However, it won't be able to negate as it cannot decrease its ATK, so the effect will not be negated and it of course will not lose 500.

[Mysty]

Correct, but it still must activate as it's mandatory. However, it won't be able to negate as it cannot decrease its ATK, so the effect will not be negated and it of course will not lose 500.

 

To add on further to this comment, remember LADD also loses DEF score. More often than not, it will be a 800/400 monster when it activates but fails to negate.

[Zazubat]

Correct, but it still must activate as it's mandatory. However, it won't be able to negate as it cannot decrease its ATK, so the effect will not be negated and it of course will not lose 500.

Will this create a chain link where nothing happens, or will it simply try to activate, but can't? Say I want to negate the effect with Divine Wrath and destroy it, can I do that?

[Miror B]

Will this create a chain link where nothing happens, or will it simply try to activate, but can't? Say I want to negate the effect with Divine Wrath and destroy it, can I do that?

It's mandatory so it will still activate regardless of its conditions. Then it'll fizzle, but yes you can use Divine Wrath on it if you wanted to.

[evilfusion]

If something "activates", it starts a chain. LADD must activate, but its effect will do nothing as it cannot resolve the effect.

[Zazubat]

If something "activates", it starts a chain. LADD must activate, but its effect will do nothing as it cannot resolve the effect.

alright, that's something to remember then. Thanks.

[BigEro]

Can someone explain how does it work, since i never seen the new feature cards, but when i got the Xyz starter pack but i am still confuse even with the rulebook as well.

 

Just give me head up...

Also i will post those card that i have.

 

Edited: i have 4 cards, 17(Leviathan Dragon) and 39(Utopia), Gachi Gachi Gantetsu and Grenosaurus.

[Toffee.]

Your cards get played like this:

[Zazubat]

Can someone explain how does it work, since i never seen the new feature cards, but when i got the Xyz starter pack but i am still confuse even with the rulebook as well.

 

Just give me head up...

Also i will post those card that i have.

 

Edited: i have 4 cards, 17(Leviathan Dragon) and 39(Utopia), Gachi Gachi Gantetsu and Grenosaurus.

If you didn't read the Wikia page, here's a quick rundown:

At the top of an Xyz Monster you see the requirements. These are typicly Levels. You typicly only need two monsters whose Levels are the same as theirs to be face-up on your side of the field to Xyz Summon, but some have special requirements such as a Type or Attribute. An Xyz Summon is considered a Special Summon, and if you cannot Special Summon, you can't Xyz Summon. When you want to Xyz Summon, you say that you want to and take out your Xyz Monster and place two monsters under that Xyz Monster. You can put more if you want to, but only when you Xyz Summon it, you can't put other cards under it when ever you feel like it, unless a card effect says you can (such as Overlay Regen). Note that you can only use cards that say they can be used as Xyz Material when they are not monster (excluding Trap Monster such as Tiki Curse). This also includes Tokens which cannot be used as Xyz Materials because they are not actually a real card. When an Xyz Monster is destroyed, all cards under it are sent to the Graveyard as well as the Xyz Monster as well. Most Xyz Monsters have effects that let them detach the Xyz Monster to activate it. This is considered a cost, and detaching is the cost (sometimes there's more like discarding). Note that it's important that sometimes it's not always a cost. Cards such as Acid Golem detaching a card is not a cost, but an effect instead. Also note that detaching is not considered to sening a card from the field to the Graveyard. Xyz Materials are never on the field and they're not sent from the field to the Graveyard. However they are sent to the Graveyard, so if your card does not specificly say "sent from THE FIELD to the Graveyard" card effects may still trigger. Also, Xyz Monsters have Ranks instead of Levels. This means they cannot be used as Synchro Material Monsters, and any effect that has to do with Levels, or changing Levels etc. cannot be activated or do not effect Xyz Monsters. Also note that Xyz Monsters cannot be used as Xyz Materials (except when an other Xyz Monster says you can use that monster to Xyz Summon that card) because they again have no levels.

 I think I explained everything you need to know about them, other than that they work as any other monster. Again, look at the wikia for more that I may have missed.

[ihop]

If I have a Marshmallon face-up and my Spirit Reaper is attacked while in face-down defense position under Gozen Match, can I keep both monsters or do I have to respecify an attribute I want to keep. 

Also, if I have a Marshmallon and a face-down defense monster that is destroyed in battle, can I redeclare and get rid of Marshmallon if I want to?

[Zazubat]

If I have a Marshmallon face-up and my Spirit Reaper is attacked while in face-down defense position under Gozen Match, can I keep both monsters or do I have to respecify an attribute I want to keep. 

Also, if I have a Marshmallon and a face-down defense monster that is destroyed in battle, can I redeclare and get rid of Marshmallon if I want to?

You keep the one that's already face-up, you don't ever choose with Gozen. When Gozen is activated, you choose which Attribute you want to keep, and you only change if all monsters of that Attribute has left the field

[-Berserker-]

So, I special summon 2 Elemental Dragon Tidal. During my opponent's turn, only one returns to my hand, right?

[Dementuo]

So, I special summon 2 Elemental Dragon Tidal. During my opponent's turn, only one returns to my hand, right?

Yes, because only one of their effects can be used.

[ihop]

You keep the one that's already face-up, you don't ever choose with Gozen. When Gozen is activated, you choose which Attribute you want to keep, and you only change if all monsters of that Attribute has left the field

 

So if Reaper is forced face-up it dies instantly?

[Zazubat]

So, I special summon 2 Elemental Dragon Tidal. During my opponent's turn, only one returns to my hand, right?

What would make you think that? Both return and starts a chain of 2 I'm quire sure.

 

So if Reaper is forced face-up it dies instantly?

No, not when it is attacked, you have to do the whole Damage Step first, then it dies, about effects I'm not sure.

Yes, because only one of their effects can be used.

It's not an effect, it's a condition which cannot be negated.

[Dementuo]

What would make you think that? Both return and starts a chain of 2 I'm quire sure.

Since the End Phase is an "Infinite" phase, they would not activate simultaneously since the condition "During the End Phase" has a range wider than a single instance.

Even if they DID activate at the same time, the clause that prevents multiple effects from activating would apply there as well.

For example, Verz Thunderbird. You can only use Thunderbird's effect once a turn, so you can't activate two of them in chain.

[ihop]

No, not when it is attacked, you have to do the whole Damage Step first, then it dies, about effects I'm not sure.

 

How about if my opponent wants to Papilloperative my face-down monster when I control another under Gozen. Is my opponent not allowed to do this as it might not fulfill Gozen Match?

[Miror B]

It's not an effect, it's a condition which cannot be negated.

All parts of Elemental Dragons are effects that activate. This is known by them having a colon or semi colon.

[Zazubat]

Since the End Phase is an "Infinite" phase, they would not activate simultaneously since the condition "During the End Phase" has a range wider than a single instance.

Even if they DID activate at the same time, the clause that prevents multiple effects from activating would apply there as well.

For example, Verz Thunderbird. You can only use Thunderbird's effect once a turn, so you can't activate two of them in chain.

They don't activate at the same time, they activate one after the other.

How about if my opponent wants to Papilloperative my face-down monster when I control another under Gozen. Is my opponent not allowed to do this as it might not fulfill Gozen Match?

Since you can't know what is face-down, your opponent can do what they want to it, and if it get flipped face-up that monster will be destroyed if it isn't the right Attribute as your face-ups.

[Dementuo]

They don't activate at the same time, they activate one after the other.

I don't see your point. "Activating at the same time" means "Activating in the same instance". In reference to the birds, if they activated "One after the other", then that would mean that Bird #1 triggers, then resolves, and then Bird #2 triggers after that chain resolves, which is foolish.

If you're referring to the Dragons, then please direct your attention to my previous statement about how the "Only one effect per turn" clause comes into play.

[Zazubat]

All parts of Elemental Dragons are effects that activate. This is known by them having a colon or semi colon.

Some condition effects still activate and starts chains, such as this one.

I don't see your point. "Activating at the same time" means "Activating in the same instance". In reference to the birds, if they activated "One after the other", then that would mean that Bird #1 triggers, then resolves, and then Bird #2 triggers after that chain resolves, which is foolish.

If you're referring to the Dragons, then please direct your attention to my previous statement about how the "Only one effect per turn" clause comes into play.

But the "once per turn" is not talking about the returning at all, it's talking about the second trigger effect, at least as far as I can tell by the wikia write.

[Miror B]

Some condition effects still activate and starts chains, such as this one.But the "once per turn" is not talking about the returning at all, it's talking about the second trigger effect, at least as far as I can tell by the wikia write.

Conditions do not activate.

Effects can leave a condition after their activation and resolution. But conditions do not activate.

Birdy has no second trigger effect. It has a condition that was left by the first effect.

All of the effects of the Elemental Dragons activate. Thus only 1 can activate per turn and can only be used once per turn.

2 Elemental Dragons on the field will not both return to the hand.