Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[darkwolf777]

This is somewhat unrelated, but what about cards that say "You can Special Summon this card (from your hand/Graveyard etc.)"? That's still lore infomation isn't it?

 

No.  Prior to "Problem Solving Card Text", that did not exist. 

 

A card that was common to having problems was Spell Striker.  The Summoning Condition was: "You can remove from play 1 Spell Card from your Graveyard to Special Summon this card".  As all cards in the past, when a location was not clarified, it would mean "While this card is in your hand, you can Special Summon it this way".  Many people had questions about or tried to Special Summon Spell Striker from the Graveyard by banishing a Spell Card which cannot be done. 

 

For inherent summons, the cards now use (from your Hand/Graveyard) to clarify this fact, and to double up as a way to clarify that its an inherent summon that's not considered an effect and also doesn't start a chain.

[Zazubat]

No.  Prior to "Problem Solving Card Text", that did not exist. 

 

A card that was common to having problems was Spell Striker.  The Summoning Condition was: "You can remove from play 1 Spell Card from your Graveyard to Special Summon this card".  As all cards in the past, when a location was not clarified, it would mean "While this card is in your hand, you can Special Summon it this way".  Many people had questions about or tried to Special Summon Spell Striker from the Graveyard by banishing a Spell Card which cannot be done. 

 

For inherent summons, the cards now use (from your Hand/Graveyard) to clarify this fact, and to double up as a way to clarify that its an inherent summon that's not considered an effect and also doesn't start a chain.

I actually asked about Spell Striker once here, I remember somebody saying something about that it was old text. I guess that makes sense.

[Judαs]

Edit: found the answer, nevermind.

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

If multiple harpie ladies are ss at once, will Hunting ground activate for each one?

[Zazubat]

If multiple harpie ladies are ss at once, will Hunting ground activate for each one?

I'm pretty sure it will. No reason why it shouldn't. Oh, and it forms a chain of 2, they don't destroy 2 cards at the same time.

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

I'm pretty sure it will. No reason why it shouldn't.

Hysteric Party, is that considered only 1 instant of a ss so Hunting Grounds would only pop once?

[Zazubat]

Hysteric Party, is that considered only 1 instant of a ss so Hunting Grounds would only pop once?

I'm quite sure that's not how it works, monsters are still considered as a single summon, even if a card summons 2 monsters. To my knownlage anyways, I see Evil and wolf lurking, so they should reply in a bit.

[evilfusion]

I'm not positive. There isn't a ruling stating either way, and it's a card that was printed before there were many ways to SS multiple monsters simultaneously.

 

Most cards are written and ruled that SSing multiple monsters with the same effect only triggers effects once (Gateway of the Six, Maxx "C", etc), and other cards may specifically say "for each 1".

 

Since it's mandatory and doesn't have a ruling or text indicating otherwise, I THINK it would activate twice, on the same chain, if something like Hysteric Party or Rescue Rabbit SSed multiple Harpies when resolving a single effect. I don't personally agree on the ruling if that's the case, though.

[Zazubat]

Actually, wouldn't it work the same as Dark Holing two Sangans? I mean it's a trigger effect, and it triggers when a monster is summoned, so summoning 2 would also trigger it twice. Though the Sangan is still two monsters, not sure if it works the same for a single card. Hmm.

[Agro]

Actually, wouldn't it work the same as Dark Holing two Sangans? I mean it's a trigger effect, and it triggers when a monster is summoned, so summoning 2 would also trigger it twice. Though the Sangan is still two monsters, not sure if it works the same for a single card. Hmm.

 

That's not even close to the same thing. That's 2 different monster's effects activating versus one card's effect activating.

 

Since it wasn't clarified as working for each in the old card text, most people have been playing it where no matter how many Harpies are summoned at once, you only get the one S/T destruction.

[evilfusion]

Actually, wouldn't it work the same as Dark Holing two Sangans? I mean it's a trigger effect, and it triggers when a monster is summoned, so summoning 2 would also trigger it twice. Though the Sangan is still two monsters, not sure if it works the same for a single card. Hmm.

 

I said that I think it activates twice. I don't agree with that if it's the case, though.

 

There's no written ruling I have found yet that indicates that it does or does not. But most cards that gain an effect based on monsters being Summoned only apply once if multiple monsters are Summoned by the same effect. This just means it can go either way until an official source clarifies. I don't believe it should activate twice, but I think it does.

 

That's not even close to the same thing. That's 2 different monster's effects activating versus one card's effect activating.

 

Since it wasn't clarified as working for each in the old card text, most people have been playing it where no matter how many Harpies are summoned at once, you only get the one S/T destruction.

 

That's the ruling I prefer, and how I would personally play it.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

If you're asking what I think you're asking, in a single instance of 1 or more Harpie monsters being summoned, you only get the effect of Hunting Ground once. In other words, if you summon even 5 Harpies with Hysteric Party, you still only get to destroy 1 spell or trap card by Hunting Ground's effect. Since the summons are all at the same time, they count as a single instance of a Harpie monster being summoned for the effect. All of the games treat it as such.

 

As mentioned before, the card simply didn't take into account the fact that more than 1 could be summoned, since I don't believe many cards existed at that time that could summon more than 1? Unless it was developed around the same time as Hysteric Party, which I'm not sure about.

[Miror B]

Actually, wouldn't it work the same as Dark Holing two Sangans? I mean it's a trigger effect, and it triggers when a monster is summoned, so summoning 2 would also trigger it twice. Though the Sangan is still two monsters, not sure if it works the same for a single card. Hmm.

I would rather compare it to Gateway of the Six vs Backs to the Wall/Double-Edged Sword Technique.

[evilfusion]

The games treat it as 1 Summon? (haven't had time to check) Then that's most likely how it's ruled, and how it SHOULD be ruled.

[Zazubat]

The games treat it as 1 Summon? (haven't had time to check) Then that's most likely how it's ruled, and how it SHOULD be ruled.

The games have been know for messing up though, but if it's in most of the games, then it's probably how it works.

[evilfusion]

The games have been know for messing up though, but if it's in most of the games, then it's probably how it works.

 

Perhaps, but in lieu of an actual written source confirming otherwise (even Wiki), it's the best we have for rulings. The games aren't wrong that frequently, though, and I'm currently at a loss of a memory of one of the WC games that has incorrect rulings.

 

The only reason I'm unsure is because of the card's age. It was printed back in RDS, and I don't think even something like Return from the DD was printed yet, so the issue never came up because Harpies were meh. It was printed again in the Structure Deck with Hysteric Party, but I dont think a ruling was ever issued for it then.

[Zazubat]

Perhaps, but in lieu of an actual written source confirming otherwise (even Wiki), it's the best we have for rulings. The games aren't wrong that frequently, though, and I'm currently at a loss of a memory of one of the WC games that has incorrect rulings.

 

The only reason I'm unsure is because of the card's age. It was printed back in RDS, and I don't think even something like Return from the DD was printed yet, so the issue never came up because Harpies were meh. It was printed again in the Structure Deck with Hysteric Party, but I dont think a ruling was ever issued for it then.

There got to be other cards that activate apon summons right? I mean this can't be an exclusive. I'm going to do some digging and see if I find a ruling on other cards that could be applied to this card.

[Miror B]

There got to be other cards that activate apon summons right? I mean this can't be an exclusive. I'm going to do some digging and see if I find a ruling on other cards that could be applied to this card.

 

 

I would rather compare it to Gateway of the Six vs Backs to the Wall/Double-Edged Sword Technique.

No it doesn't "activate" but the triggers are still the same.

[Zazubat]

I found a ruling: If more than 1 monster is Summoned at the same time, this effect only triggers once and the controller of the monster(s) only removes from play 1 card.^[1]

It's from Summoning Curse, a pretty good example actually.

[evilfusion]

There got to be other cards that activate apon summons right? I mean this can't be an exclusive. I'm going to do some digging and see if I find a ruling on other cards that could be applied to this card.

 

There are plenty of cards that activate upon Summons or destructions. Most of them (at least 90%) only treat it as 1 instance of Summoning despite 2 monsters being Summoned simultaneously. The ones that don't follow that rule specifically say "for each 1". My previous uncertainty was due to the age of the card.

[Airride]

How wold one word an effect that negated continuous effects? (Effects like Jinzo, Continous Spells/Traps, Stuff like that)

[darkwolf777]

How wold one word an effect that negated continuous effects? (Effects like Jinzo, Continous Spells/Traps, Stuff like that)

 

...What?

[evilfusion]

How wold one word an effect that negated continuous effects? (Effects like Jinzo, Continous Spells/Traps, Stuff like that)

 

Where it ONLY negates Continuous Effects, leaving Ignition Effects, Quick Effects, etc untouched?

 

I'm not positive if there's a simple way to hit only Continuous Effects. It could be written, but it'd be pretty complicated. Because simple lines like "Negate the effects of all Continuous Spell and Trap Cards" won't negate Equip Spells, Field Spells, or Traps that equip and aren't continuous. Saying to simply negate all faceup S/Ts will also negate Normal and Quickplays, without distinction.

 

And for Monster Effects, negating all faceup monsters like Skill Drain does will still negate Ignition and Trigger Effects if they dont remove themselves from the Field.

[Airride]

Where it ONLY negates Continuous Effects, leaving Ignition Effects, Quick Effects, etc untouched?

Yes.

I was thinking something like "Negate the effects of cards that do not activate", but I feel that would mess up somehow.

[evilfusion]

Yes.

I was thinking something like "Negate the effects of cards that do not activate", but I feel that would mess up somehow.

 

Yeah, it wouldn't work, since Spells and Traps that are Continuous still have to be activated from the hand/Field in the first place. And typically you don't word something to affect cards that DONT do something.