Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[evilfusion]

No, they can't Lance after you take the damage, because Memory banishes within its resolution.

 

The only way to theoretically use Lance post-damage is if Memory banished the monster at a completely different stage of the game than its activation, such as "if you do, banish that monster at the end of the Battle Phase".

[Coffee Black]

I have a question about Reborn Tengu. Yes it's an old card but I'm still confused over a ruling it has. When Tengu is removed from the field while face down it's effect won't activate, such as if it's destroyed by Dark Hole while in set position. I don't really understand why; from a little searching the closest explanation I've found is that the game can't recognize if it was ever on the field or not. But I don't think saying this applies to all set monsters. For example, you can use set monsters as fusion material; going along with the "game can't recognize" explanation, you could never verify what the set monster is and couldn't use it as fusion material. So can anyone explain this clearly... or is it a BKSS?

[newhat]

I have a question about Reborn Tengu. Yes it's an old card but I'm still confused over a ruling it has. When Tengu is removed from the field while face down it's effect won't activate, such as if it's destroyed by Dark Hole while in set position. I don't really understand why; from a little searching the closest explanation I've found is that the game can't recognize if it was ever on the field or not. But I don't think saying this applies to all set monsters. For example, you can use set monsters as fusion material; going along with the "game can't recognize" explanation, you could never verify what the set monster is and couldn't use it as fusion material. So can anyone explain this clearly... or is it a BKSS?

 

Tengu would be written in New Text as a "leave the field" effect. An analogue would be Plaguespreader Zombie. If PZ is revived by its effect and then flipped face-down, its "leave the field" effect will not apply and, if it's destroyed, it will not be banished. This is because a card's effect-based conditions don't apply while it is face-down. The same applies to Level Eater, which can be Tributed for things other than Tribute Summons if it's face-down, and "highlander" monsters like Malefics.

 

But the game mechanic of Fusion deals with cards in the hand as well as on the field. If it were a question of identity, there would be no Polymerization or Gem-Knight Fusion, because cards in the hand are not "public information". Oddly enough the Level Eater thing doesn't extend to Chimeratech Fortress Dragon, which cannot be used for a Fusion while face-down or "under any circumstance".

 

Which brings up another question: Can I use a face-down Beastking of the Swamps as a substitute Fusion Material Monster?

[evilfusion]

Yes, you can use Fusion Substitutes like Beastking as a substitute Fusion Material even if it's facedown.

[Piercer of the Heavens]

So if I have Archfiend Empress in my grave and use Archfiend Roar to reborn it can I use Archfiend Empress' effect during the End Phase when it is destroyed by Archfiend Roar?

[darkwolf777]

So if I have Archfiend Empress in my grave and use Archfiend Roar to reborn it can I use Archfiend Empress' effect during the End Phase when it is destroyed by Archfiend Roar?

 

Archfiend's Roar destroys a card.  Archfiend Empress' effect triggers when it is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard.

 

Yes, Archfiend's Roar's destruction effect will trigger Archfiend Empress' effect so long as Archfiend Empress is sent to the Graveyard.

[Phantasy Dreamz]

So I got Shogun Shien and Shi En on the field.

My opponent activated a card, I negated with Shi En's effect.

Then he chained another card to my Shi En's effect.

 

My Shogun Shien is on the field

He told me he could activate another card because Shi En already negated the first card's effect.

But the thing is, the chain has not resovle yet

Doesn't that mean that Shi En's effect hasn't negated the first card's effect?

And that he can't activate another one because I have a Shogun Shien?

 

I'm not sure on the ruling on those two.

[darkwolf777]

So I got Shogun Shien and Shi En on the field.

My opponent activated a card, I negated with Shi En's effect.

Then he chained another card to my Shi En's effect.

 

My Shogun Shien is on the field

He told me he could activate another card because Shi En already negated the first card's effect.

But the thing is, the chain has not resovle yet

Doesn't that mean that Shi En's effect hasn't negated the first card's effect?

And that he can't activate another one because I have a Shogun Shien?

 

I'm not sure on the ruling on those two.

 

He cannot chain a card to Shi En's effect.  He has to wait for the chain to resolve before he can activate another card.

[Zazubat]

Is the Equip destruction of Cyberdark Horn considered a monster being destroyed? I would assume no since if I remember correctly monsters that are equipped become spell cards by default if not stated otherwise.

Have a question for my custom card:

When this card is Xyz Summoned target 1 card on the field, except this card: Banish that target. Attach it to this card during your 2nd Standby Phase after

activation. When that card is detached, banish it. If this card attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict piercing Battle Damage to your opponent. Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card to target up to 2 monsters your oppoent controls; change those targets to face-down Defence Position, and if you do, this card is the only card that can attack this turn, and it can only attack face-down monsters. This card can attack twice the turn you activated this effect.

 

Only the part in italic is important.

Am I correct that the the first effect to starts a chain, and that the second effect to attach does not start a chain, and the same with the banish when detached.

 

Last but not least, this may sound pretty stupid, but being turned face-down does not make it leave the field for it's own effect does it?

[darkwolf777]

Is the Equip destruction of Cyberdark Horn considered a monster being destroyed? I would assume no since if I remember correctly monsters that are equipped become spell cards by default if not stated otherwise.

 

Have a question for my custom card:

 

When this card is Xyz Summoned target 1 card on the field, except this card: Banish that target. Attach it to this card during your 2nd Standby Phase after

activation. When that card is detached, banish it. If this card attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict piercing Battle Damage to your opponent. Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card to target up to 2 monsters your oppoent controls; change those targets to face-down Defence Position, and if you do, this card is the only card that can attack this turn, and it can only attack face-down monsters. This card can attack twice the turn you activated this effect.

 

Only the part in italic is important.

 

Am I correct that the the first effect to starts a chain, and that the second effect to attach does not start a chain, and the same with the banish when detached.

 

Last but not least, this may sound pretty stupid, but being turned face-down does not make it leave the field for it's own effect does it?

 

You'd want to write it "When this card is XYZ Summoned: target 1 card on the field, except this card;"

 

You also cannot use the term "detached" as that is already a term used for removing Xyz Materials from an Xyz Monster.  Just use "When that card is removed from the field, banish it".

 

Anyway, Yes, Yes, and Yes for the first three questions.

 

Flipping a card face-down is not removing a card from the field.

[Zazubat]

You'd want to write it "When this card is XYZ Summoned: target 1 card on the field, except this card;"

 

You also cannot use the term "detached" as that is already a term used for removing Xyz Materials from an Xyz Monster.  Just use "When that card is removed from the field, banish it".

 

Anyway, Yes, Yes, and Yes for the first three questions.

 

Flipping a card face-down is not removing a card from the field.

what the heck do you mean by "you also cannot use the term detached". It also isn't what I want at all. I want to to be banished when it is detached from that monster by it's other effect (or some effect that detaches it), not when that monster is destroyed or what ever, you don't detach monsters then. Also I must have messed up, I forgot that even targetting is also makes it have a semi-colon, I always forget that.

 

Tell me if this is correct:

When this card is Xyz Summoned: Target 1 card on the field, except this card; banish that target.

[darkwolf777]

what the heck do you mean by "you also cannot use the term detached". It also isn't what I want at all. I want to to be banished when it is detached from that monster by it's other effect (or some effect that detaches it), not when that monster is destroyed or what ever, you don't detach monsters then. Also I must have messed up, I forgot that even targetting is also makes it have a semi-colon, I always forget that.

 

Tell me if this is correct:

When this card is Xyz Summoned: Target 1 card on the field, except this card; banish that target.

 

I misread that you were trying to attack them as Xyz Materials.  If so, you need to make it clear and say that:  "Attach this card as Xyz Material".

 

and yes, that's correct.  Its how I wrote it.

[Zazubat]

I misread that you were trying to attack them as Xyz Materials.  If so, you need to make it clear and say that:  "Attach this card as Xyz Material".

 

and yes, that's correct.  Its how I wrote it.

I was writing it out with my own words, to see if it looked right to me, it's just a me thing, don't think about it. Anyways, not sure what you mean by attacking, though I see that I forgot the "as an Xyz Material" part which is something I should have put in.

[darkwolf777]

I was writing it out with my own words, to see if it looked right to me, it's just a me thing, don't think about it. Anyways, not sure what you mean by attacking, though I see that I forgot the "as an Xyz Material" part which is something I should have put in.

 

attack, attach.  easy typo.

[newhat]

Let's say Noble Knight Medraut is equipped with Gallatin. Medraut Summons an Artorigus from my Deck and destroys the Equip Spell, becoming a Normal Monster again. Gallatin re-attaches to Medraut. I sac Artorigus for Black, then sac Black for its own effect.

 

Can I use the effect of Medraut again?

[darkwolf777]

Let's say Noble Knight Medraut is equipped with Gallatin. Medraut Summons an Artorigus from my Deck and destroys the Equip Spell, becoming a Normal Monster again. Gallatin re-attaches to Medraut. I sac Artorigus for Black, then sac Black for its own effect.

 

Can I use the effect of Medraut again?

 

If you're asking if Medraut can activate its effect a second time if it loses its effect by being unequipped, then regains its effect by being equipped, then no.  You cannot activate Medraut's effect again.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

If Clockwork Shikigami targets something like Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Tiger King with its effect and Fire Formation - Tenken is activated in response, does Shikigami's effect disappear or would the ATK of Tiger King become 0 during the battle phase?

[Zazubat]

If Clockwork Shikigami targets something like Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Tiger King with its effect and Fire Formation - Tenken is activated in response, does Shikigami's effect disappear or would the ATK of Tiger King become 0 during the battle phase?

Tenken's effect happens at resolution, as well as Clockwork's effect. So all effects will be negated after Tenken resolves. In case something else is activated to change it's ATK to 0 after Tenken has been activated, then it's ATK will remain at 300. EDIT: Changing your phase will reset it's ATK to normal.

[darkwolf777]

If Clockwork Shikigami targets something like Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Tiger King with its effect and Fire Formation - Tenken is activated in response, does Shikigami's effect disappear or would the ATK of Tiger King become 0 during the battle phase?

 

Chain Link #1: Clockwork Shikigami

Chain Link #2: Fire Formation -Tenken

 

Resolving...

 

Chain Link #2: Tiger King's effect is negated and is unaffected by other card effects except that Fire Formation - Tenken

Chain Link #1: Tiger King is unaffected by Clockwork Shikigami. 

 

Tiger King will have its normal attack during the Battle Phase when Tenken wears off.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Chain Link #1: Clockwork Shikigami

Chain Link #2: Fire Formation -Tenken

 

Resolving...

 

Chain Link #2: Tiger King's effect is negated and is unaffected by other card effects except that Fire Formation - Tenken

Chain Link #1: Tiger King is unaffected by Clockwork Shikigami. 

 

Tiger King will have its normal attack during the Battle Phase when Tenken wears off.

That's what I figured, but we needed confirmation for a duel we had in the tournament.

[Just Crouton]

A monster is equipped with Horn of the Phantom Beast. If a player activates DNA Surgery and calls anything that's not Beast or Beast-Warrior, is the Horn equipped to that monster destroyed?

[evilfusion]

A monster is equipped with Horn of the Phantom Beast. If a player activates DNA Surgery and calls anything that's not Beast or Beast-Warrior, is the Horn equipped to that monster destroyed?

 

Yes, the monster equipped with it is no longer a valid target, and it will fall off. Similar to how Relinquished, if negated, can no longer hold a monster as an equip card.

[Zazubat]

Yes, the monster equipped with it is no longer a valid target, and it will fall off. Similar to how Relinquished, if negated, can no longer hold a monster as an equip card.

Really? I thought activation requirements like this didn't need this, though I suppose that I it's something I never had any run-ins with so I wouldn't know.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

a monster equipped with a card must always be a valid target. if it stops being one for even a moment the equip card is destroyed.

[evilfusion]

Really? I thought activation requirements like this didn't need this, though I suppose that I it's something I never had any run-ins with so I wouldn't know.

 

It's not an activation requirement. It's targeting a monster and then becoming an equip card to it. The target must continue to be valid as long as Horn is faceup.

 

Just like Equip Spells that state "You can only Equip this card to a Warrior-Type monster", if Horn, which must target a Beast/Beast-Warrior, later is affecting a monster that is not of the appropriate Type, it can no longer be equipped to such a monster.