Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[newhat]

If Scrap Shark is targeted by Soul Taker, will Scrap Shark be destroyed by Soul Taker or its own effect?

[Zazubat]

If Scrap Shark is targeted by Soul Taker, will Scrap Shark be destroyed by Soul Taker or its own effect?

there is a Ruling that goes like this: If you activate "Creature Swap", "Scrap Shark" is destroyed after "Creature Swap" resolves.

If you take out "Creature Swap" and insert "Soul Taker" you should get the same result. So that would mean that Soul Taker resolves first, and therefor destroys it first.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

just for verification purposes, lets say i activate caam's effect while necrovalley is on the field. it would resolve normally because returning monsters to the deck is a cost, right?

[evilfusion]

You can not affect cards in the Graveyard except by their own effects. You would not be allowed to activate Caam's effect while Necrovalley is out.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

ah. i see. the word effect is what was tripping me up.

 

thats what i get for trusting lolwikia.....

[Miror B]

You can not affect cards in the Graveyard except by their own effects. You would not be allowed to activate Caam's effect while Necrovalley is out.

Isn't Caam a cost not an effect?

Necrovalley says to negate any effect that would move a card from the Grave so costs should work.

And Necrovalley doesn't prevent anything but Banishing in the first place

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

necrovalley does prevent cards from leaving the graveyard outside of their own effects. though im not sure how costs factor into that.

[Miror B]

necrovalley does prevent cards from leaving the graveyard outside of their own effects. though im not sure how costs factor into that.

Necrovalley's text is:

All "Gravekeeper's" monsters gain 500 ATK and DEF. Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be banished. Negate any card effect that would move a card in the Graveyard, other than itself, to a different place.

It will negate an effect. It should not affect any costs whatsoever. The only thing Necrovalley prevents is banishing.

[Zazubat]

Necrovalley's text is:

It will negate an effect. It should not affect any costs whatsoever. The only thing Necrovalley prevents is banishing.

I have always found that a tricky thing, because most cards that negate or prevent other cards from during certain things really never say "negate the cost" they always say "negate the effect". With discard costs I got very confused as well since discarding for Dark World monsters needs to be en effect, not a cost. And really it's still an effect that does it, it just needs to not be for something else which is a silly rule IMO, though it does balance out a few cards though (except DW, they're just crazy).

[darkwolf777]

just for verification purposes, lets say i activate caam's effect while necrovalley is on the field. it would resolve normally because returning monsters to the deck is a cost, right?

 

You can not affect cards in the Graveyard except by their own effects. You would not be allowed to activate Caam's effect while Necrovalley is out.

 

Negate any card effect that would move a card in the Graveyard, other than itself, to a different place.

 

Caam's effect is to draw 1 card. The "Shuffle 2 Gustos from the Graveyard to the Main Deck" is a cost and not an effect. The cost is not stopped by Necrovalley nor would the effect be negated.

[Zazubat]

Can anyone explain what would happen here. I was in a duel, and this happened: I sit with my hand, 3 cards are key here. Abyssmegalo, Dragoons and Invantry. I use Abyss' effect to send Dragoons and Invantry to the Grave. Now, what I didn't know was that cards trigger in the order of which made them trigger. If that's true, then the cost would be the first thing to have happened here, meaning Abyss would also go first (I guess). I thought you could choose the order you wanted, but that seems to be only in the OCG. Not that it mattered since I didn't want Abyss to be Chain 2 or 3 anyways. Since both of effects are the same, send to Grave, trigger this effect, I get to choose which order they go in. Dragoon as 2, and Invantry as 3. Invantry is Chain link 3 here, but my opponent didn't choose to activate any effects here in response, so I simply thought that he never wanted to. I add my card to the hand. Then Dragoon, which is Chain 2, activates and destroys his monster. He then uses Magical Dimension at this point. I say that he can't because we're in the middle of a Chain Resolution. He says "Well it's Spell Speed 2" where I reply "it doens't matter, the Chains already happened, besides they're all Trigger Effects so it doesn't matter if your card is Spell Speed 2, since you won't get a chance to use it before all have formed a Chain, because I have priority to place them on the Chain before my opponent can activate any other effects." Is that correct? Can my opponent really activate his Quick Spell Card correct?

[Miror B]

@Zaziuma: First, Mandatory always activates first. Megalo will be CL3 because it's the only optional one in that scenario.

Second, your opponent was wrong. He can chain it to CL3 but trying to use it mid resolution of a chain is not possible.

[Zazubat]

@Zaziuma: First, Mandatory always activates first. Megalo will be CL3 because it's the only optional one in that scenario.

Second, your opponent was wrong. He can chain it to CL3 but trying to use it mid resolution of a chain is not possible.

I thought all were opitional, so that's my fault, though it doesn't really change much here. The whole problem would still be that my opponent thought he could use his Spell in the middle of my chain, which you just said he couldn't. Thanks.

Further question, two Mandatory Effects? The same deal, I can choose the order at the end of the chain?

[Miror B]

Further question, two Mandatory Effects? The same deal, I can choose the order at the end of the chain?

You pretty much had it down.

[darkwolf777]

Not that it mattered since I didn't want Abyss to be Chain 2 or 3 anyways. Since both of effects are the same, send to Grave, trigger this effect, I get to choose which order they go in. Dragoon as 2, and Invantry as 3. Invantry is Chain link 3 here,..

 

Your chain is incorrect. You cannot chain a Trigger Effect (a Spell Speed 1 effect) to other Spell Speed 1 effects. The only time this happens is when Trigger Effects activate simultaneously.

 

In any case, when you activate Abyssmegalo and discard Dragoons and Infantry, those two cards DO NOT chain to Abyssmegalo as they cannot. Once the chain involving Abyssmegalo resolves and Abyssmegalo is Special Summoned, Dragoons and Infantry will create a new 2-card chain with each other.

[Miror B]

Your chain is incorrect. You cannot chain a Trigger Effect (a Spell Speed 1 effect) to other Spell Speed 1 effects. The only time this happens is when Trigger Effects activate simultaneously.

 

In any case, when you activate Abyssmegalo and discard Dragoons and Infantry, those two cards DO NOT chain to Abyssmegalo as they cannot. Once the chain involving Abyssmegalo resolves and Abyssmegalo is Special Summoned, Dragoons and Infantry will create a new 2-card chain with each other.

Abyssmegalo has a second trigger effect though o-o

[darkwolf777]

Abyssmegalo has a second trigger effect though o-o

 

Hmm.. I suppose it does. I guess in that case, there's nothing wrong with it if that's the effect we're activating.

[Zazubat]

Abyssmegalo has a second trigger effect though o-o

no it doens't. It has an Ignition that summons it, a Trigger that happens when you SS it that way, and an other Ignition to Tribute a card. Though there's something I don't get Wolf, it's Trigger will happen at the same time right? I'm always rusty on when a monster creates a chain when it summons itself, so not quite sure about that.

[darkwolf777]

no it doens't. It has an Ignition that summons it, a Trigger that happens when you SS it that way, and an other Ignition to Tribute a card. Though there's something I don't get Wolf, it's Trigger will happen at the same time right? I'm always rusty on when a monster creates a chain when it summons itself, so not quite sure about that.

 

He meant that the Trigger Effect is its 2nd effect.

 

Its "If you do" trigger starts a new chain after Abyssmegalo is Special Summoned to the field.

[Zazubat]

He meant that the Trigger Effect is its 2nd effect.

Its "If you do" trigger starts a new chain after Abyssmegalo is Special Summoned to the field.

It's actually a "when you do" but not sure if that matters or not.

[darkwolf777]

It's actually a "when you do" but not sure if that matters or not.

 

Problem Solving Card Text will have : for effects that start chains. "When you do:" is its own Trigger Effect that activates on the field after you Special Summon Mermail Abyssmegalo with its effect.

[Zazubat]

It starts a new chain because of the colon? Would the Atlantean cards not miss the timing then? Why would they and why would they not? I am still a noob at that tbh.

[Miror B]

It starts a new chain because of the colon? Would the Atlantean cards not miss the timing then? Why would they and why would they not? I am still a noob at that tbh.

Ok guys I think we're trailing off here.

It starts a new chain because Spell Speed 1 effects do not chain to each other except in SEGOC.

So for Zaziuma's situation

CL1: Abyssmegalo Ignition Effect, ditching the 2 guys (ider just put their names here >_>)

No other effects, resolve

CL1: Abyssmegalo summons itself.

 

Triggered effects as of now: Abyssmegalo and the 2 ditched Atlanteans.

CL1 + 2: Atlanteans in any order because they are mandatory and triggered at the same time.

CL3 Abyssmegalo because it's optional.

At this point your opponent would respond with Magical Dimension if he wanted. If he doesn't he loses any ability to use it until the chain is fully resolved.

 

Is there anything I didn't get?

[evilfusion]

That sounds correct.

[darkwolf777]

It starts a new chain because of the colon? Would the Atlantean cards not miss the timing then? Why would they and why would they not? I am still a noob at that tbh.

 

When a card's trigger uses "When... you can..." then the effect can miss the timing. Otherwise it cannot.