Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 a consequence is a result of another action. for example, if you forget to fill up your car with gas and you run out before you get home, thats a consequence of not filling it up. in the same way, birdman being banished is a consequence of it being summoned by its own effect. if summoned in any other way it wont be banished.alright thanks for that :DEDIT: Oops thought it would just add to my previous post, double posted. Because it has a colon/semi-colon.That would be (OCG-wise yet very awkwardly) a continuous effect. or a condition Don't think anything like that's been done before.though it's technicly the same as Birdmans right? It summons, and that summon is connected to it returning. What's the problem here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 though it's technicly the same as Birdmans right? It summons, and that summon is connected to it returning. What's the problem here?Birdman has an Ignition effect, then a condition tied to that effect.Yours has a continuous effect, then a condition tied to that effect.That's the gist of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Birdman has an Ignition effect, then a condition tied to that effect.Yours has a continuous effect, then a condition tied to that effect.That's the gist of it.How is the trigger effect to summon an other monster a continuous effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 "when this card is summoned" is not a continuous effect but a trigger effect. the second part is a condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 How is the trigger effect to summon an other monster a continuous effect?It doesn't have a colon or semi colon... f*** I can't keep up with post edits. somebody else take over for this poor bird... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 It doesn't have a colon or semi colon... due to a typo, not because it isnt a trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Yeah it does. I fixed it right after I posted it, you were just ultra fast. Even that would still not make it a continuous effect. It doesn't have a colon or semi colon... f*** I can't keep up with post edits. somebody else take over for this poor bird...no problem mate haha, I didn't think anyone would be able to respond so fast. Quick question, is revealing a card (from the top of your deck/hand/face-down card) a cost, say with Sunlight Unicorn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Sunlight Unicorn specifically is not a cost. You would reveal the card at resolution, and apply the appropriate effect based on what the card was. Sometimes, revealing a card is a cost, though, such as with High Priestess of Prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Is there a difference between using "If" and "When" when using Conditions? Cause I want to know if saying "If this card is destroyed by battle" is different than saying "When this card is destroyed by battle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 There is no difference in the example you used. However, "When", used for optional Trigger Effects such as "When this card is sent to the Graveyard, you can..." will miss the timing if the last event to occur in a chain or event is not the Trigger. "If" will not miss the timing, even if it's an optional Trigger Effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 There is no difference in the example you used. However, "When", used for optional Trigger Effects such as "When this card is sent to the Graveyard, you can..." will miss the timing if the last event to occur in a chain or event is not the Trigger. "If" will not miss the timing, even if it's an optional Trigger Effect.okay, that makes sense I suppose. EDIT: Let's continue with some more opposites, Selcet & Target, I know that selecting happens at resolution mostly, but in case it doensn't? Or does that simply not happen at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Selecting happens at resolution, Targetting happens at activation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Selecting happens at resolution, Targetting happens at activation.so the guy was wrong with his wording then simply, and didn't write something that meant something else. Thanks for clearing that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 If my opponent's only card on the field is a monster that cannot be targeted by monster effects, can I use the effect of Silver Sentinel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 If my opponent's only card on the field is a monster that cannot be targeted by monster effects, can I use the effect of Silver Sentinel? Yes, the effect will still activate. You will not be able to target his monster, but it will be Special Summoned, and nothing will be destroyed. Note that Sentinel's text says "if possible". If it's not possible, you do not target anything, but you will perform the rest of the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 If my opponent's only card on the field is a monster that cannot be targeted by monster effects, can I use the effect of Silver Sentinel?It doens't matter where that card was, it's effect to Special Summon and destroy that monster happen in the Graveyard. Though you can still SS it, but not destory that card. Now what I'm not about is if monsters in the Spell/Trap card zone are treated as having monster effects in that zone. I couldn't find anything about unions doing so, as some have effects when the are equip spell cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Now what I'm not about is if monsters in the Spell/Trap card zone are treated as having monster effects in that zone. I couldn't find anything about unions doing so, as some have effects when the are equip spell cards.Monsters in the S/T zone have no effect unless they specifically say otherwise (E.G: Dragunity Phalanx) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 His question had been "if the opponent's only card can't be targeted, can Sentinel still use its effect?" It had nothing to do with cards w/ effects in the S/T zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 His question had been "if the opponent's only card can't be targeted, can Sentinel still use its effect?" It had nothing to do with cards w/ effects in the S/T zone.Read Zazumia's entire post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 It doens't matter where that card was, it's effect to Special Summon and destroy that monster happen in the Graveyard. Though you can still SS it, but not destory that card. Now what I'm not about is if monsters in the Spell/Trap card zone are treated as having monster effects in that zone. I couldn't find anything about unions doing so, as some have effects when the are equip spell cards. A monster in the Spell/Trap Card Zone who has effects while in the Spell/Trap Card Zone are considered the effects of a Spell Card, Equip Spell Card if equipped or specified otherwise, such as Crystal Beasts becoming Continuous Spell Cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 A monster in the Spell/Trap Card Zone who has effects while in the Spell/Trap Card Zone are considered the effects of a Spell Card, Equip Spell Card if equipped or specified otherwise, such as Crystal Beasts becoming Continuous Spell Cards.good to know, that will make an interesting archetype for avoiding effects that negate monster effects. I would assume that monsters that don't say that they are any specific Spell/Trap card type face-up is simply just a Normal Spell Card, though since Silver Sentinel is face-down, if it were to get flipped face-up to check what kind of type it was, is it concidered a Spell or Trap card? EDIT: If I were to use Cold Feet, would the effect of Depth Amulet being destroyed happen? I would think not since it's a Maintenance Cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I would assume that monsters that don't say that they are any specific Spell/Trap card type face-up is simply just a Normal Spell Card, though since Silver Sentinel is face-down, if it were to get flipped face-up to check what kind of type it was, is it concidered a Spell or Trap card? I already answered that, or would've been simple to deduce based on my last post. Since my post specifically states the effects would be considered that of a "Spell Card, Equip Spell Card if equipped, or an otherwise designated Spell Card such as Continuous Spells with Crystal Beasts", a face-down Silver Sentinel would be considered a Normal Spell Card. EDIT: If I were to use Cold Feet, would the effect of Depth Amulet being destroyed happen? I would think not since it's a Maintenance Cost. It is not a Maintenance Cost, but it is considered a condition. It will be destroyed even if Cold Feet were active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 If Mist Valley Falcon is attached to Ninjitsu Art of Transformation, and bounces Art for its attack, can Mirror Force be chained to the effect of Art? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Two questionsIf D.D. Survivor is in the S/T zone as a Cont.S/T/Equip and is then banished, will I be able to SS it during the End Phase?Do I have to show the cards I look at from Chronomaly Technology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Two questionsIf D.D. Survivor is in the S/T zone as a Cont.S/T/Equip and is then banished, will I be able to SS it during the End Phase?Do I have to show the cards I look at from Chronomaly Technology?1. I wouldn't be able to tell you for sure.2. No, you don't. Unlike Duality, it does not say you must reveal the cards, and there is no specific requirements for the card you add to your hand, so your opponent does not need to confirm which card was added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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