Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 neither part of that effect is a condition. they are both effects, the first being a trigger and the second being continuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 neither part of that effect is a condition. they are both effects, the first being a trigger and the second being continuous.I need to read more.The difference between continuous effects and conditions is pretty strange so I'm not going to say much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 neither part of that effect is a condition. they are both effects, the first being a trigger and the second being continuous.oh oops, I must have gotten condition and continuous confused then. I swear I am not dyslexic haha. Sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 His example only has one effect though... the second part is clearly an effect. the ocg is just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 the second part is clearly an effect. the ocg is just wrong.Ignore every single thing you just quoted as I am a bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 the second part is clearly an effect. the ocg is just wrong.yes it is, it should be a colon instead of a comma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 whoops this is a double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 yes it is, it should be a colon instead of a comma.If it were a colon it wouldn't be a continuous effect, but a trigger effect.I believe your first was actually right :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Okay, I will try again. "When this card is destroyed by battle: Add 1 "Evil Dino Rawr Rawr" to from your Deck to your hand." (I know I am silly, just coming up with s***).This is a condition correct? I don't quite think I understand why it can't be chained to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 If it were a colon it wouldn't be a continuous effect, but a trigger effect.I believe your first was actually right :/Â the punctuation was right but the grammar wasnt entirely so. the correct second sentence would be "As long as this card is banished, monsters that would be destroyed are banished instead." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Okay, I will try again. "When this card is destroyed by battle: Add 1 "Evil Dino Rawr Rawr" to from your Deck to your hand." (I know I am silly, just coming up with s***).This is a condition correct? I don't quite think I understand why it can't be chained to.No it's not a condition.If you have a colon or semi-colon in the card effect, it is not a condition. What you have above is a Trigger Effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm getting confused all over the place, I don't think my examples are working too well here :/Â EDIT: Gimmick Puppets - Necro Doll is a condition right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 here are some examples of conditions if these help you any:Â "This card cannot be Special Summoned."Â "This card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster."Â "This card cannot attack directly the turn you activate this effect."Â notice how none of them have colons, semi-colons, or commas. that is your best indication as to whether a particular part of a cards effect is an effect or condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm getting confused all over the place, I don't think my examples are working too well here :/Assuming all this has to do with Problem Solving Text:If it has a colon or semi-colon, it starts a chain.If it has neither, it does not start a chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Assuming all this has to do with Problem Solving Text:If it has a colon or semi-colon, it starts a chain.If it has neither, it does not start a chain.Always? I mean is there no exceptions what so ever? If so, it's easier than I thought. here are some examples of conditions if these help you any: "This card cannot be Special Summoned." "This card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster." "This card cannot attack directly the turn you activate this effect." notice how none of them have colons, semi-colons, or commas. that is your best indication as to whether a particular part of a cards effect is an effect or condition.though Birdman's is a condition because??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Conditions are much harder to distinguish than Continuous Effects, but one thing is definite: Conditions NEVER start a chain. They are rules printed on the card designating certain restrictions that must be followed with that card specifically. It's not an effect, so cards like Skill Drain will not negate them. The example before was Quickdraw Synchron. Quickdraw Synchron states that it cannot be used as Synchro Material, except for monsters that require a "Synchron" Tuner. It also states it substitutes itself as any "Synchron" Tuner. Those lines are a Condition, not an effect. Even if Quickdraw is negated, it still takes the place of any Synchron Tuner, and cannot Synchro Summon any non- "Synchron"-requiring monster. Black Luster Soldier- Envoy is another example. The effect to banish a monster states "This card cannot attack the turn you use this effect". If you use BLS' banish effect, it cannot attack. That's a Condition. Negating BLS will not allow it to attack that turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Always? I mean is there no exceptions what so ever? If so, it's easier than I thought.With new text, yes always.The issue comes when you go back to those insanely old cards that never had a reprint...Basically anything that was printed after the Generation Force booster pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 it is not a 100% accurate statement. birdman is a condition because it is resolved as part of its special summoning effect, at least according to the wiki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Edit: Birdman is a Condition because it says that if it used its effect, as a consequence, it is banished when it leaves the Field. If you Normal Summon Birdman, or Special Summon it with different effects, it won't be banished when it leaves the Field. Negating Birdman with Skill Drain will not prevent it from being banished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 With new text, yes always.The issue comes when you go back to those insanely old cards that never had a reprint...Basically anything that was printed after the Generation Force booster pack.any way I can tell, except by Colon/Semicolon? Or is that the whole reason why it was made simpler? EDIT: consequence? I am not actually american or english so I don't know all words, what does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 though Birdman's is a condition because???"If this card is Special Summoned with this effect, remove it from play when it is removed from the field."Point out the colon and semi colon here.any way I can tell, except by Colon/Semicolon? Or is that the whole reason why it was made simpler?That's the reason it was made simpler. Takes a bit more practice otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 "If this card is Special Summoned with this effect, remove it from play when it is removed from the field."Point out the colon and semi colon here. That's the reason it was made simpler. Takes a bit more practice otherwise.though as said with my card it triggers when it leaves the field doens't it? And someone said that trigger effects do make chains. IGNORE ME! Edit: Birdman is a Condition because it says that if it used its effect, as a consequence, it is banished when it leaves the Field. If you Normal Summon Birdman, or Special Summon it with different effects, it won't be banished when it leaves the Field. Negating Birdman with Skill Drain will not prevent it from being banished.So, let me see. I'm going to try to make a card here again. See if I get this. "When this card is Summoned: Special Summon 1 "Control.me" card from your hand. When a monster Summoned by this effect leaves the field, return it to your hand." It doens't Trigger because it's a a part of that effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 though as said with my card it triggers when it leaves the field doens't it?Because it has a colon/semi-colon. "When this card is Summoned, Special Summon 1 "Control.me" card from your hand. When a monster Summoned by this effect leaves the field, return it to your hand."That would be (OCG-wise yet very awkwardly) a continuous effect. or a condition Don't think anything like that's been done before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 any way I can tell, except by Colon/Semicolon? Or is that the whole reason why it was made simpler? EDIT: consequence? I am not actually american or english so I don't know all words, what does this mean? a consequence is a result of another action. for example, if you forget to fill up your car with gas and you run out before you get home, thats a consequence of not filling it up. in the same way, birdman being banished is a consequence of it being summoned by its own effect. if summoned in any other way it wont be banished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Also because it was a continuous which doens't make it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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