Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Zazubat]

Playing 2011: Over the Nexus right now.

Confirmed, when your opponen attacks and you active something to SS monster, your opponent gets to choose again.

False, destroying or removing a monster that isn't your opponent's attack target (I used Raigeki Break) will make a replay, at least according to 2011: Over the Nexus.

So for some reason the wikia refused to say something that is actually important. Weird.

[darkwolf777]

So I was right. With me being wrong lately, i've started to doubt myself. I am getting rusty when not answering Yugioh questions nonstop on DN or even playing the game o.x

[Zazubat]

So I was right. With me being wrong lately, i've started to doubt myself. I am getting rusty when not answering Yugioh questions nonstop on DN or even playing the game o.x

Yu-Gi-Oh, the most complex Children's Card Game ever, though in all seriousness, I might add a sitenote on the wikia that says that if an other monster is removed a replay will accure, cause it's something that everybody should know, and most people go to the wikia to find these things.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Replays occur during the timing of a regular attack. IE, if a chain is occurring you do not get to attack during that chain, just as normal, but because the timing for an attack isn't even at that time, no matter how many chain links occur it doesn't matter because the replay doesn't actually happen until you can normally attack again.

[Zazubat]

Replays occur during the timing of a regular attack. IE, if a chain is occurring you do not get to attack during that chain, just as normal, but because the timing for an attack isn't even at that time, no matter how many chain links occur it doesn't matter because the replay doesn't actually happen until you can normally attack again.

That's also what I said about it not mattering whether or not anything happens in that chain.

[Zazubat]

This is for a custom card: If I can destroy the card by it's own effect, can I also use that in my opponent's card turn, and can I banish my card from the grave for an effect in my opponent's turn?

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

the first one: you can specify that if you want.

the second one: absolutely. necro gardna does that.

 

in general, theres no rule stating that certain KINDS of effects cant happen on the other players turn. you just have to specify that it can happen during either turn, or make its activation happen at a point where its irrelevant (ie "when this card battles" by definition can happen during either turn)

[Zazubat]

the first one: you can specify that if you want.

the second one: absolutely. necro gardna does that.

 

in general, theres no rule stating that certain KINDS of effects cant happen on the other players turn. you just have to specify that it can happen during either turn, or make its activation happen at a point where its irrelevant (ie "when this card battles" by definition can happen during either turn)

Yeah, I mean it was just in case some other cards didn't say that they couldn't be just when ever, of course adding During either players turn would help, just easier if I knew that you could do that. Also, Necro Gardna is a Monster, plus it can only be done in the opponent's turn, I mean in both turns and for Traps.

[evilfusion]

This is for a custom card: If I can destroy the card by it's own effect, can I also use that in my opponent's card turn, and can I banish my card from the grave for an effect in my opponent's turn?

 

It would have to specify being usable on the opponent's turn in order to be a Quick Effect.

 

Quick Effects in general are designated by either specifically stating they can be used during either turn, or by being able to negate activations (which requires them to be Spell Speed 2).

 

Otherwise, the wording will either indicate it being an Ignition Effect (your turn only) or a Trigger Effect (it can activate when a certain condition is met). Trigger Effects may be used on the opponent's turn if the Trigger can be fulfilled, such as "When an opponent's monster declares an attack" or "When this card is sent to the Graveyard"

[Zazubat]

It would have to specify being usable on the opponent's turn in order to be a Quick Effect.

 

Quick Effects in general are designated by either specifically stating they can be used during either turn, or by being able to negate activations (which requires them to be Spell Speed 2).

 

Otherwise, the wording will either indicate it being an Ignition Effect (your turn only) or a Trigger Effect (it can activate when a certain condition is met). Trigger Effects may be used on the opponent's turn if the Trigger can be fulfilled, such as "When an opponent's monster declares an attack" or "When this card is sent to the Graveyard"

Makes sense, I have added the "During either players turn" to make it a quick effect. Thanks for that :D

[Zazubat]

I also forget, does both players draw when you activate Dragged Down to the Grave? I can't seem to find it online.

 

Edit: Yes both do, just tested it in 2011.

 

An other thing I can ask is when both players get to see the deck when searching and not. Sometime it does it in the games, though I never really know why, cause I don't see it ever being said.

 

Say I try to summon something and it doesn't get properly summoned, now it's in the grave. Can I use any effects that target that card, say banish it, return to hand deck etc. And can I use anything that says "banish *name here* from your Graveyard to..."?

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

I also forget, does both players draw when you activate Dragged Down to the Grave? I can't seem to find it online.

 

Edit: Yes both do, just tested it in 2011.

 

An other thing I can ask is when both players get to see the deck when searching and not. Sometime it does it in the games, though I never really know why, cause I don't see it ever being said.

 

Say I try to summon something and it doesn't get properly summoned, now it's in the grave. Can I use any effects that target that card, say banish it, return to hand deck etc. And can I use anything that says "banish *name here* from your Graveyard to..."?

1. I think what you may be thinking about is when a player is searching their deck for a card by an effect, but they do not have a proper target. An example of this would be if you destroyed your opponent's Sangan and they looked through their deck for a card to add, only to find that they don't have a card with 1500 ATK or less. You, the opponent, would then be allowed to confirm that they have no targets with 1500 ATK or less in their deck to add. Some people will tell you that this is not a rule, because they don't want you to look at their deck, but it is.

 

2. The only thing that not being properly summoned would determine is for a card's effect that specifically state a card had to be properly summoned and Special Summoning that monster. In both cases the monster would have to have been attempted to be summoned by its own summoning special summon only condition (not effect) for it to not be used in this way.

 

Long story short, yes, you can.

[Zazubat]

1. I think what you may be thinking about is when a player is searching their deck for a card by an effect, but they do not have a proper target. An example of this would be if you destroyed your opponent's Sangan and they looked through their deck for a card to add, only to find that they don't have a card with 1500 ATK or less. You, the opponent, would then be allowed to confirm that they have no targets with 1500 ATK or less in their deck to add. Some people will tell you that this is not a rule, because they don't want you to look at their deck, but it is.

 

2. The only thing that not being properly summoned would determine is for a card's effect that specifically state a card had to be properly summoned and Special Summoning that monster. In both cases the monster would have to have been attempted to be summoned by its own summoning special summon only condition (not effect) for it to not be used in this way.

 

Long story short, yes, you can.

of course 1 is a rule otherwise it wouldn't be in the games, which is what got me confused. I acutally think you get asked if you want to look so what you're saying about it being if your opponent can't find a target, and what you're saying makes sense, having no targets can also mean "I just wanted to look" which is probably not a thing you just can do.

 

2. Alright, that means that a card I reviewed would be easier to summon since it needed synchro monsters, and was wondering if they were "properly in the graveyard" which sounds silly, but you have to make sure right?

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

of course 1 is a rule otherwise it wouldn't be in the games, which is what got me confused. I acutally think you get asked if you want to look so what you're saying about it being if your opponent can't find a target, and what you're saying makes sense, having no targets can also mean "I just wanted to look" which is probably not a thing you just can do.

 

2. Alright, that means that a card I reviewed would be easier to summon since it needed synchro monsters, and was wondering if they were "properly in the graveyard" which sounds silly, but you have to make sure right?

1. That's pretty much the reason it exists, so that your opponent can't dodge certain card effects or scenarios, or get a free look at their deck, by saying they have no target (only situation that comes to mind is if an Infernity player has a full backrow and special summons Infernity Archfiend. They can't look through their deck then say "never mind" afterward because they realized that the effect would be useless. Or if they know you have a Mind Crush set.

 

2. I am not entirely sure what you're saying, but unless the card that is using the synchro monster as a cost states they had to be properly special summoned the first time, it doesn't matter.

[Zazubat]

1. That's pretty much the reason it exists, so that your opponent can't dodge certain card effects or scenarios, or get a free look at their deck, by saying they have no target (only situation that comes to mind is if an Infernity player has a full backrow and special summons Infernity Archfiend. They can't look through their deck then say "never mind" afterward because they realized that the effect would be useless. Or if they know you have a Mind Crush set.

 

2. I am not entirely sure what you're saying, but unless the card that is using the synchro monster as a cost states they had to be properly special summoned the first time, it doesn't matter.

no it's not a cost, just the fact that they need to be there. don't even have to like banish them, just for them to be there.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

It's the same thing either way.

[darkwolf777]

If a mandatory effect requires you to search your deck and you do not have the required targets to summon or add to the hand, then yes, the Deck will be checked by the opponent to verify that fact.

 

A semi-nomi or nomi monster that was not Special Summoned properly cannot be Special Summoned from the Graveyard or Banished (Nomi monsters can be Special Summoned from the Graveyard with cards that ignore their Special Summoning conditions but still only when properly Special Summoned first). This does not restrict them from anything else, so you can banish them, add to hand or deck, etc.

[Zazubat]

If a mandatory effect requires you to search your deck and you do not have the required targets to summon or add to the hand, then yes, the Deck will be checked by the opponent to verify that fact.

 

A semi-nomi or nomi monster that was not Special Summoned properly cannot be Special Summoned from the Graveyard or Banished (Nomi monsters can be Special Summoned from the Graveyard with cards that ignore their Special Summoning conditions but still only when properly Special Summoned first). This does not restrict them from anything else, so you can banish them, add to hand or deck, etc.

1. So from what I gather, if you use something that says "can" your opponent doesn't get to look if you can't find a target?

 

2.And I can assume the same for Synchro Monsters, or for that matter, any Extra Deck monster?

[Shradow]

With Attack the Moon!, if you have a Rock-type monster that has the effect that lets it flip itself face-down, if you use that effect to make it face-down defence, does Attack the Moon! activate, or since your Rock-type monster is now face-down it doesn't work?

[evilfusion]

With Attack the Moon!, if you have a Rock-type monster that has the effect that lets it flip itself face-down, if you use that effect to make it face-down defence, does Attack the Moon! activate, or since your Rock-type monster is now face-down it doesn't work?

 

Because it's facedown, it's unable to be determined that it's a Rock-Type. So Attack the Moon! wont activate.

[darkwolf777]

1. So from what I gather, if you use something that says "can" your opponent doesn't get to look if you can't find a target?

 

2.And I can assume the same for Synchro Monsters, or for that matter, any Extra Deck monster?

 

1. If its an optional effect, they cannot activate it if they do not have a valid card in the deck. The owner of the deck knows the contents of their own deck and if they would have a valid target or not.

 

2. Extra Deck monsters are still monsters and they are no different than other monsters. Extra Deck monsters are Semi-nomi or Nomi by default and must be Special Summoned properly to be revived from the Graveyard/Banished but again that doesn't exclude them from other effects outside of being Special Summoned from the Graveyard/Banished.

[Zazubat]

1. If its an optional effect, they cannot activate it if they do not have a valid card in the deck. The owner of the deck knows the contents of their own deck and if they would have a valid target or not.

 

2. Extra Deck monsters are still monsters and they are no different than other monsters. Extra Deck monsters are Semi-nomi or Nomi by default and must be Special Summoned properly to be revived from the Graveyard/Banished but again that doesn't exclude them from other effects outside of being Special Summoned from the Graveyard/Banished.

1. Uhm what? I mean like card like Kamakira and Giant Rat that say "can". I have no idea what you're talking about, they still have to look through the deck to see if they have it right? I mean you can forget if you got the right card in there, or if (I don't know if this excists, there's a card that would reduce the ATK of monsters or Level or something in the Deck, for what ever reason).

 

2.Yeah, I'm just saying that cause what you were probably refering to was just monsters from your Deck, so I wanted to make sure you didn't mean that it was only from the Deck, and didn't apply to those monsters since they work somewhat different than others.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

If for some reason the player does look through their deck and doesn't have a target, it's the same thing as with mandatory effects, except that the move would technically be an illegal one. All this means is that you can get in trouble for doing it, and if this somehow changed the gamestate that the gamestate must be returned, if able. If it cannot, the searching player would take a game loss.

[Zazubat]

If for some reason the player does look through their deck and doesn't have a target, it's the same thing as with mandatory effects, except that the move would technically be an illegal one. All this means is that you can get in trouble for doing it, and if this somehow changed the gamestate that the gamestate must be returned, if able. If it cannot, the searching player would take a game loss.

So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter, even if it is a mandatory or a choice?

[darkwolf777]

So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter, even if it is a mandatory or a choice?

 

This question is already answered. Read both of my posts carefully.

 

Searching your deck when you do not have a valid target on an optional effect is an illegal move. As I said in my post, you cannot activate the effect to begin with.