Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 What does that have to do with anything? It doens't change that the point is that when banishing monster, they change what they were like before, either face-down or face-up in Defence. A card returns the way it was banished, so it should also be banished face-down and laying on the side to indicate that it's in face-down defence position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 yes. thats what ive been saying this whole time???? laying it on its side isnt necessary (and if youre being technical, you arent supposed to) but most people do it and thats okay. as long as the monster ends up back on the field in the same way it doesnt matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 yes. thats what ive been saying this whole time???? laying it on its side isnt necessary (and if youre being technical, you arent supposed to) but most people do it and thats okay. as long as the monster ends up back on the field in the same way it doesnt matter.I said that it matters since it matters that it's either face-down or face-up, since you can't target a spefific face-down, say with Leviair (I think it's called) it targets a Level 4 monster, and if that's face-down it of course can't target that, so it should be the same if some targets were to target a defence position monster in the banished zone. Of course no cards do this as far as I am aware, but it's something that should be said could be possible. Any possibility of anything happening in relation to each other should really be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Cards that are banished do not have a battle position. Only Monsters on the Field have a Battle Position. When cards state to "return" a monster to the Field (Galaxy-Eyes, Wind-Up Rabbit, Interdimensional Matter Transporter), it returns in the same Battle Position it was in when banished. Therefore, when you banish a monster by Galaxy-Eyes' effect, it is placed in the banish zone like any other card. It isn't laid on its side if it was in DEF. I do believe it gets banished facedown, though. It just doesn't get placed "in DEF" while in the banished zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Cards that are banished do not have a battle position. Only Monsters on the Field have a Battle Position. When cards state to "return" a monster to the Field (Galaxy-Eyes, Wind-Up Rabbit, Interdimensional Matter Transporter), it returns in the same Battle Position it was in when banished. Therefore, when you banish a monster by Galaxy-Eyes' effect, it is placed in the banish zone like any other card. It isn't laid on its side if it was in DEF. I do believe it gets banished facedown, though. It just doesn't get placed "in DEF" while in the banished zone.I have not read online that it's true that it doesn't matter wheter or not you place them just there or not, I mean, it still matters if you place them face-down so why shouldn't it matter that you also place them correctly? I know that it's not a big deal, but what if it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 ......then it would be a big deal? thats the most useless hypothetical. if it became a big deal it would start mattering, and cards where it would matter would get a ruling or errata or something. but in all likelihood it never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 If it was, we'd be looking at those technicality rulings about moving cards to different Monster slots (done for the sake of organization or room), that is technically illegal because the horrible Senet cards actually care what slots are filled, or arranging the Graveyard when looking through it (illegal because of Question). It's rarely enforced because those cards don't see play. Like ever. It wouldn't be a big deal to place it sideways in the banish zone, since there are no cards that care if it's sideways or not. I'm getting confused about your questions now. Why are you asking so many "technical" based questions that have no practical application beyond questioning the logic. Why are these little details usually done a certain way? For the sake of consistency with all other cards and rulings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 You might have noticed, we're on a custom card creation site, if I were to do something that can't happen (as I said some posts before, targeting cards in the hand, which you can't) I would be making new rules to the game, and well that's not really my point, my point is to make it work with the game as it is now. Say, I wanted to make a card that changes the position of a banished monster, sadly because that's impossible as you state, I would be making up new rules towards being able to actually do that. That's why I'm asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Ahh. That makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 If Bountiful Artemis is in play, and I play Dark Bribe, which is then negated by Solemn Judgment (for whatever reason), and I chain my own Solemn Judgment in response to that, I draw 3 cards total, correct? Despite the fact that the cards were negated they were still "activated", no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Ahh. That makes more sense.At the time, I wasn't thinking that it could effect custom cards, but because of the fact that it possibly could, I should have said that earlier on. I guess I wasn't thinking of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 If Bountiful Artemis is in play, and I play Dark Bribe, which is then negated by Solemn Judgment (for whatever reason), and I chain my own Solemn Judgment in response to that, I draw 3 cards total, correct? Despite the fact that the cards were negated they were still "activated", no? if the activation of a card is negated, you cant count it as activated for the sake of bountiful artemis. if the card's effect were negated without negating the activation (for example, if jinzo or royal decree were somehow flipped up) then it would be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 If Bountiful Artemis is in play, and I play Dark Bribe, which is then negated by Solemn Judgment (for whatever reason), and I chain my own Solemn Judgment in response to that, I draw 3 cards total, correct? Despite the fact that the cards were negated they were still "activated", no? The Counter Fairies only apply their effects when the Counter Trap resolves. If the activation of a Counter Trap is negated, Artemis will not draw because the card never resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Okay, this is something I have always been confused about, because some people I play with say there is a difference, and some say there's not. When a monster is destroyed, does that mean that if it says "send/sent" such as Dupe Frog does, or is there no difference at all, because some people say there is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 The difference is in that sending is not destroying, but destroying is still sending.It's like send vs discard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 is sending also discarding, and is discarding also sending? I don't really know what you mean by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Okay, this is something I have always been confused about, because some people I play with say there is a difference, and some say there's not. When a monster is destroyed, does that mean that if it says "send/sent" such as Dupe Frog does, or is there no difference at all, because some people say there is! "Sent" is a very generic term to say it went from Point A to Point B, regardless of how (except when a card goes from the Banish to Graveyard, or Graveyard to Deck, the term used is "return".) When a card is "Sent from the Hand to the Graveyard", then it encompasses anything that would cause a card to have come from your Hand straight into the Graveyard. When you are discarding, the card is considered "sent" to wherever it is discarded to. If an effect says to "send a card from the Hand to the Graveyard", that card is NOT considered discarded. Only when a card's effect says "Discard" can you say it is being discarded, same as if a monster on the field is "sent from the field to the Graveyard", it is not considered "destroyed" unless the card says to "Destroy" the card. The only other time cards are discarded is when you attempt to end your turn with more than 6 cards in your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Oh of course, my mind just derped, I also know that discarding at the end of your turn is not considered an effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I steal a Wind-Up Rabbit and use its effect, to whose field does it return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I steal a Wind-Up Rabbit and use its effect, to whose field does it return? "Steal" isn't enough information to answer that. Rabbit's banish effect is a temporary one that will later return it to the field by its own effect. If the control is also temporary and wears off, even while Rabbit is banished, then the monster will be given back to the opponent after it returns to your field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guuu1234 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Will Number 50: Blackship of Corn cause monsters (such as dupe frog) to miss timing because of the effect damage it inflicts. I'm thinking it doesn't since it says AND but not THEN, but I really don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 "Steal" isn't enough information to answer that. Rabbit's banish effect is a temporary one that will later return it to the field by its own effect. If the control is also temporary and wears off, even while Rabbit is banished, then the monster will be given back to the opponent after it returns to your field.are you sure about that? I always thought that monsters return to where they were last in the same position and all that fun jazz, why would this not be any different?For guuu; "and if you do" is concidered to happen simultaneous, so from what I read your opponent will be able to use his effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 are you sure about that? I always thought that monsters return to where they were last in the same position and all that fun jazz, why would this not be any different?For guuu; "and if you do" is concidered to happen simultaneous, so from what I read your opponent will be able to use his effect. They are. Rabbit will return to your side of the field. Then control will shift back to the opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 They are. Rabbit will return to your side of the field. Then control will shift back to the opponent.why? I need a good reason, cause Rabbit doesn't say that it returns to it's owners field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 why? I need a good reason, cause Rabbit doesn't say that it returns to it's owners field. If the card you used only gives you temporary control, such as Mind Control, then control of Rabbit would go back to your opponent during your End Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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