Miror B Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I posted it in the other thread but The effects stack.Where is this from pls? That doesn't exactly answer the question about stacking, either, because even if its effect is activated it doesn't mean you gain an additional summon, and the monster's effect can also be negated, meaning it could work the second time.I'm pretty sure if Swap activates and is flipped down it doesn't stack either way. It is very relevant.And book doesn't negate effects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Where is this from pls?It's straight from the Yugioh Wiki in Mahunder & Pahunder Rulings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 They DO stack because they don't say "in addition to your Normal Summon or Set". Unlike Swap Frog, Double Summon, or Karakuri Komachi (all which say "in addition to Normal Summon or Set", the Hunders and Ultimate Offering provide one additional Normal Summon per use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 If you have both Heart of the Underdog and Veil of Darkness on the field and draw a Normal DARK monster, can you reveal it and discard it to draw twice, once for each card effect? Or is there any sort of missed timing when activating one effect over the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 If you have both Heart of the Underdog and Veil of Darkness on the field and draw a Normal DARK monster, can you reveal it and discard it to draw twice, once for each card effect? Or is there any sort of missed timing when activating one effect over the other?First off, pet peve, Veil sends, not discards. Has no bearing on the question just had to get that out there.Second, you would have to do Heart of the Underdog as CL1. If Veil is CL1 you'll discard it as a cost and there will be no card to reveal from Heart of the Underdog.This really doesn't matter much but it also shows Veils don't stack.Anyway if any and all Heart of the Underdogs activate before Veil on the chain then yes, it will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Okay, so because I may have misremembered, and what you posted that I remembered the location of wasn't exactly the response I was looking for, darkwolf, I will ask this question: Do the effects of Hunder monsters stack? IE can you use Mahunder to summon Pahunder, then Pahunder to summon another Mahunder all in the same turn? The answer to this question and additional normal summons in general should somehow be added to a FAQ, since I know it's been answered multiple times. While I can't guarantee the most correct answer (though I believe Pollux/Leonis are written using Problem Solving Card Text), due to the fact that it does not say "in addition to your Normal Summon or Set" since these cards do not make a relation to it in their effects, It is likely Mahunder and Pahunder will stack together. They DO stack because they don't say "in addition to your Normal Summon or Set". Unlike Swap Frog, Double Summon, or Karakuri Komachi (all which say "in addition to Normal Summon or Set", the Hunders and Ultimate Offering provide one additional Normal Summon per use. Double Summon does not refer to the "Normal Summon or Set" you get per turn and therefore can stack with cards like Swap Frog or Karakuri Komachi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Alrighty, I suppose a probably works. I'll remember that, though I still stand by what I said about them not -needing- to stack to be good. Sorry about previously misunderstanding what you said about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 If Possessed Dark Soul has its effects negated via the effect of Tour Guide or Effect Veiler, can it still take control of the opponent's monsters via its effect? Another thing: Frontier Noble of the Fire Fist: Horse has the following text:During the turn this card is Synchro Summoned, you cannot Special Summon other Level 5 or higher monsters.Would that mean that I could special summon a Level 5 or higher monster BEFORE I Synchro Summoned Horse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 If Possessed Dark Soul has its effects negated via the effect of Tour Guide or Effect Veiler, can it still take control of the opponent's monsters via its effect? Another thing: Frontier Noble of the Fire Fist: Horse has the following text: Would that mean that I could special summon a Level 5 or higher monster BEFORE I Synchro Summoned Horse?1) No. It activates on the field.2) No. During the turn this card is Synchro Summoned means During that turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 1) No. It activates on the field.2) No. During the turn this card is Synchro Summoned means During that turn. So with regard to 2, theoretically I cannot Synchro Summon Horse in the same turn I summon a 5 or higher? Or would the effect just not activate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 You cannot Synchro Summon Horse if you've already Summoned a Level 5+ monster that turn. Same as Pot of Duality in terms of SSing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 So with regard to 2, theoretically I cannot Synchro Summon Horse in the same turn I summon a 5 or higher? Or would the effect just not activate?Horse says "During the turn this card is Synchro Summoned"So you can't Synchro Summon hiim if you already summoned a lvl 5 or higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 I read this, just want to confirm that it's true; if I were to detach an Atlantean from a WATER Xyz Monster, would it's effect doesn't activate. True or not, since it's techincly being detach, but it goes in the grave, so I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 if its detached to pay the cost of a water xyz monsters effect, then yes the effect of the atlantean monster activates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 if its detached to pay the cost of a water xyz monsters effect, then yes the effect of the atlantean monster activates.detaching is always a cost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 nope. there are several cards whose effects include detahcing. it specifically has to be a cost. it also has to be for the effect of the water xyz monster. for example blue blooded oni will not trigger an atlantean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 nope. there are several cards whose effects include detahcing. it specifically has to be a cost. it also has to be for the effect of the water xyz monster. for example blue blooded oni will not trigger an atlantean.blue blooded oni also happens not to be an Xyz Monster. Never mind, I misunderstood what you meant. Show me a card that does that, I don't quite understand what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 maestroke's second effect, mira the giant star, freezerdon and acid golem (the last 2 are even water so thats relevant though the first two can be treated as water) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 maestroke's second effect, mira the giant star, freezerdon and acid golem (the last 2 are even water so thats relevant though the first two can be treated as water)alright I get it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 im not entirely sure about this but i THINK, if an atlantean is detached from freezerdon as a cost to activate the effect of a different water xyz monster the effect of that atlantean still activates. anyone willing to help me out with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Yeah, if an Atlantean is detached from Freezerdon to pay the cost for a WATER Xyz monster's effect, it would activate. But a non-WATER Xyz would not. Acid Golem's detach isn't a cost, so it wouldn't trigger Atlanteans. But Leviathan would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 If I attempt to Xyz Summon and it's negated, can I use Pot of Duality in the same turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 If I attempt to Xyz Summon and it's negated, can I use Pot of Duality in the same turn? No, as you attempted a Special Summoning process this turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Would I be able to summon "Clockwork Shikigami" with no monsters in my Graveyard? I'm not sure myself, since the Wikia doesn't provide a ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Would I be able to summon "Clockwork Shikigami" with no monsters in my Graveyard? I'm not sure myself, since the Wikia doesn't provide a ruling.No, because you have no monsters, not all Machine-types. Solidarity works on the same principal. If you have no monsters, you don't have all Machine-types in your grave. Just like just because you have an Xyz in play you don't have a level 3 or lower monster on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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