evilfusion Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 When you Summon, Set, or Special Summon monsters (or S/Ts), you may choose which zone to place it in. With simulators or video games, the zone is usually chosen for you for the sake of simplicity in the program (although there's usually an option to manually choose the zone). With the exception of some of the Senet cards and effects, the zone chosen is irrelevent. The only rule though would be you can't change which zone you place it in without a special card effect. But the Senet cards are awful and therefore never see play, so this is rarely enforced. With Trap Monsters, you just need to remember which S/T zone is still considered "filled" by the Trap Monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 When Night Beam is used on a face-down Geartown, since Night Beam's target isn't allowed to activate in response to Night Beam's activation, can Geartown still activate its Sp Summon effect once Night Beam resolves and Geartown is destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Short answer, yeah. Long answer, because the triggered effect is a part of the destruction of the card, not an activation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 yeah, night beam only prevents an on field activation, not a destruction effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 A card not being allowed to be activated in response simply means "You cannot chain it". Such as Super Polymerization prevents a chain link from forming after its activation, but you may still use card effects once Super Poly has resolved (such as Torrential). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 It should also be noted, though it wasn't asked, that you can still activate the card targeted for Night Beam in the same chain as Night Beam's activation. However, you cannot activate it directly in response to Night Beam. Example: Your opponent targets your face-down Jar of Greed for Night Beam's effect. You can activate Waboku in response to Night Beam, since only the selected card cannot be activated, and then activate the targeted Jar of Greed in response to Waboku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Stalfos19 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Alright, say I have a set Burst Breath and no monsters, and my opponent Xyz Summons Steelswarm Roach, sets a few cards and ends turn. And then say that I SS Hieratic Dragon of Tefnuit through its effect, and my opponent tries to detach a material from Roach as a countermeasure. Can I quickly chain Burst Breath to that countermeasure, sacrificing Tenuit to destroy Roach? Or does Tefnuit have to be successfully SS'ed before I can actually do anything with Burst Breath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 if a summon is negated, the monster never hits the field so it cant be used to pay for effects like burst breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Alright, say I have a set Burst Breath and no monsters, and my opponent Xyz Summons Steelswarm Roach, sets a few cards and ends turn. And then say that I SS Hieratic Dragon of Tefnuit through its effect, and my opponent tries to detach a material from Roach as a countermeasure. Can I quickly chain Burst Breath to that countermeasure, sacrificing Tenuit to destroy Roach? Or does Tefnuit have to be successfully SS'ed before I can actually do anything with Burst Breath?Negating a Summon means the monster isn't on the field. You would not be able to tribute Tefnuit to use Burst Breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 If Armory Arm is equipped to Wisel, do both effect apply? (Armory Arm's boost and burn, and Wisel's "gain the equipped Synchro's ATK"), or does it depend on wich one's effect was used to equip it? Does Heroic Challenger Extra Sword give it's boost when the already boosted Number becomes a Chaos Xyz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Armory specifies "While equipped by this effect", so if Wisel force-equipped it then it doesn't work.I'm unsure on Wisel but it says "Those equipped monsters" so I think it has to equip them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 If Armory Arm is equipped to Wisel, do both effect apply? (Armory Arm's boost and burn, and Wisel's "gain the equipped Synchro's ATK"), or does it depend on wich one's effect was used to equip it? Does Heroic Challenger Extra Sword give it's boost when the already boosted Number becomes a Chaos Xyz?the first I'm 99 % sure that it does gain both effects.the second, I am not quite sure, but I would believe that it wouldn't since you're not using the actual card anymore since it's now an Xyz Material, but you're using the Xyz Monster, even though Chaos' get those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Does Heroic Challenger Extra Sword give it's boost when the already boosted Number becomes a Chaos Xyz?This I missed. No. It's not being used to Xyz summon that monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 No, Armory only gives +1000 and the burn effect when equipped by its own effect. Wisel only gains ATK when it equips a monster by its own effect. Dragunities are different in that they have effects regardless of what method they were equipped by. Armory specifically says "by this effect". Wisel states "those equipped monsters" after its Synchro absorb effect. The answer about Extra Sword is correct. While Extra Sword is still an Xyz Material, it was not used to Xyz Summon the Chaos Xyz. The only material used to Xyz Summon is the other Xyz, and the Materials are just kept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I send Stoic of Prophecy to the graveyard for Wonder Wand. Which effect resolves first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Wonder Wand, then Stoic activates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Also, if I summon Temperance with Spellbook of Life by banishing a level 2 monster for the cost, it doesn't count as summoning it as a level 5 monster, does it? I know that it's ruled you can summon a level 4 or lower monster with Book of Life after using Temperance's effect, even if the monster's level would then become 5 or higher, but I want to confirm to be 100% sure that I could use its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Also, if I summon Temperance with Spellbook of Life by banishing a level 2 monster for the cost, it doesn't count as summoning it as a level 5 monster, does it? I know that it's ruled you can summon a level 4 or lower monster with Book of Life after using Temperance's effect, even if the monster's level would then become 5 or higher, but I want to confirm to be 100% sure that I could use its effect.You can revive a monster after Temperance even if its Level would become higher due to a card effect. For the same reason, even if Power Filter and Burden of the Mighty are both face-up, you can still Special Summon XX-Saber Emmersblade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Okay, so because I may have misremembered, and what you posted that I remembered the location of wasn't exactly the response I was looking for, darkwolf, I will ask this question: Do the effects of Hunder monsters stack? IE can you use Mahunder to summon Pahunder, then Pahunder to summon another Mahunder all in the same turn? The answer to this question and additional normal summons in general should somehow be added to a FAQ, since I know it's been answered multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Okay, so because I may have misremembered, and what you posted that I remembered the location of wasn't exactly the response I was looking for, darkwolf, I will ask this question: Do the effects of Hunder monsters stack? IE can you use Mahunder to summon Pahunder, then Pahunder to summon another Mahunder all in the same turn? The answer to this question and additional normal summons in general should somehow be added to a FAQ, since I know it's been answered multiple times.They're activated effects that say "Once per turn". They stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 They're activated effects that say "Once per turn". They stack.Darkwolf already said that ignition effects or otherwise don't make a difference for additional summons like with Swap Frog, so that doesn't help. I'm really looking for a response from darkwolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Darkwolf already said that ignition effects don't make a difference for additional summons like with Swap Frog, so that doesn't help. I'm really looking for a response from darkwolf.Did he say ignition? He said they are activated effects with "Once per turn". No ignition doesn't matter but they don't have the condition that most cards do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 That post really doesn't have anything to bring to the table about it, either way. I understand that their wording is different from most cards, but as I stated, I am looking for specific confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I posted it in the other thread but During a turn in which "Pahunder" has activated its effect, if it's flipped face-down by the effect of "Book of Moon" and then flipped face-up by the effect of "Book of Taiyou" during the same turn, its effect can be activated once again. The effects stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 That doesn't exactly answer the question about stacking, either, because even if its effect is activated it doesn't mean you gain an additional summon, and the monster's effect can also be negated, meaning it could work and be activated the second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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