Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

"A card effect" does not mean it has to be YOUR card effect, if that's what you're implying.

[Miror B]

That seems silly to write it like that then. Why not write it so it was separate? Here see it's simple: If this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect; add 1 "Dark World" card from your Deck to your hand. Also, if it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect: You can target 1 monster in your opponent's Graveyard; Special Summon that target (if any) in face-up Defense Position.

 

See, way easier to understand, you get one effect if it was your own, and an other if it was your opponent's.

Writing it like that implies 2 different effects that activate in chain.

It's only 1 effect with a secondary effect of sorts in the middle.

[Zazubat]

Writing it like that implies 2 different effects that activate in chain.

It's only 1 effect with a secondary effect of sorts in the middle.

you're right, some other Dark Worlds cards says "then" at some point, which makes them more clear.

[evilfusion]

Dark Worlds under the new text is a little confusing if you don't know how to read the text. It's a common issue.

 

The condition is simply to be discarded by a card effect. Any card effect that discards as part of the effect will Trigger the Dark World.

 

The next section, between colon and semi-colon is for costs/targeting. Grapha, for example, targets when discarded by any effect, so that part is marked with a semi-colon. Other ones, like Snoww or Goldd, only target cards if the opponent discarded them. If the opponent's effect discarded your Dark World, you apply that part of the card text. Otherwise, skip it because the condition to apply that part of the card text was not triggered.

 

After semi-colon is the resolution. You apply the effect regardless who discarded it, but you do additional actions if cards were targeted.

 

Since Broww, Sillva, and Grapha do not target cards for their secondary effects (opponent discarded), they are written more clearly. Do the normal action, and then do the secondary action.

[Zazubat]

Dark Worlds under the new text is a little confusing if you don't know how to read the text. It's a common issue.

 

The condition is simply to be discarded by a card effect. Any card effect that discards as part of the effect will Trigger the Dark World.

 

The next section, between colon and semi-colon is for costs/targeting. Grapha, for example, targets when discarded by any effect, so that part is marked with a semi-colon. Other ones, like Snoww or Goldd, only target cards if the opponent discarded them. If the opponent's effect discarded your Dark World, you apply that part of the card text. Otherwise, skip it because the condition to apply that part of the card text was not triggered.

 

After semi-colon is the resolution. You apply the effect regardless who discarded it, but you do additional actions if cards were targeted.

 

Since Broww, Sillva, and Grapha do not target cards for their secondary effects (opponent discarded), they are written more clearly. Do the normal action, and then do the secondary action.

ah that makes more sense, what I'm getting is that if it was only your opponent's effect without an other effect, it was written without the semi-colon, and if it was was both, there is a semi-colon.

[evilfusion]

The semi-colon only regards effects that target or costs.

 

Grapha targets on the Field when discarded, regardless of whose effect, and the secondary effect (which affects the hand) doesn't target, so that section is not put in the semi-colon area. Likewise, Broww, which draws an extra card, doesn't target, so a semi-colon is unneeded. Sillva, which affects the hand (affecting the hand NEVER targets), doesn't target so it also doesn't bother with a semi-colon.

 

The confusion stems from the fact most DWs are written as a double condition. "If discarded...(colon) If discarded by opponent's effect...(semi-colon)".

 

The important thing to remember is that Dark Worlds dont activate twice. They apply both (if applicable) effects in one chain link. This is why it's written so oddly.

[newhat]

If I control Level Limit - Area B and attack my opponent's face-down Destiny HERO - Plasma with Spell Canceller, what happens?

[ihop]

I'm fairly sure the monster is flipped in the Damage step and therefore cards can no longer be newly affected by cards that don't change attack.

[evilfusion]

Interesting situation.

 

Plasma is flipped up during Damage Calculation and while it will negate Canceller's effect, it is already Damage Calculation, so the attack will still go through. Plasma will be destroyed by battle. Before Plasma goes to the Graveyard (still Damage Step, but after Damage Calculation), Canceller switches to DEF as Plasma is still on the Field, and Level Limit's Continuous Effect is applied to the now-negated Canceller. Plasma is then sent to Grave and Canceller's effect is restored.

 

EDIT: I actually might be wrong on this. Based on an "outdated" Upperdeck ruling involving Level Limit and Pole Position, if during Damage Calc, a monster immune to Level Limit is then affected by it, the attack stops.

[darkwolf777]

If I control Level Limit - Area B and attack my opponent's face-down Destiny HERO - Plasma with Spell Canceller, what happens?

 

When Plasma is flipped face-up, Plasma's Continuous Effect to negate Effects will negate Spell Canceller. Level Limit - Area B will reapply. Spell Canceller will be switched to Defense Position. Damage Calculation does not happen.

[evilfusion]

And the above confirms my realization. My post is incorrect.

[Mysty]

Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck and send, from your Main Deck to the Graveyard, the Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on that Fusion Monster Card. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation, Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card.

 

Once per turn: You can reveal 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, then send 1 of the Fusion Material Monsters listed on that card from your Main Deck to the Graveyard; this card's name becomes the sent monster's name until the End Phase.

 

Is there any clue in their wordings that would tell you that these two are ruled differently in terms of what they can send to the Graveyard, or is it just a BKSS?

[darkwolf777]

Is there any clue in their wordings that would tell you that these two are ruled differently in terms of what they can send to the Graveyard, or is it just a BKSS?

 

I have no clue what you're asking to answer that. Try stating what you're finding different between the two that's causing the issue.

[-Berserker-]

I have no clue what you're asking to answer that. Try stating what you're finding different between the two that's causing the issue.

I think he means Prisma cannot send stuff to summon A-Zero but FF can.

[Mysty]

I think he means Prisma cannot send stuff to summon A-Zero but FF can.

 

Exactly. But is there anything in the wording that defines that to be true, or is it BKSS?

[darkwolf777]

Oh.

 

Well, Future Fusion is considered a "Fusion Spell Card" in the sake that its performing a proper Fusion Summon, much like Polymerization. Its attempting to perform a Fusion Summon, and it may summon monsters using unspecified materials (such as E-HERO Absolute Zero)

 

When asked to select a monster that is listed on a Fusion Monster Card for "E-Hero Prisma's" effect, "1 "HERO" Monster" or "1 Water Monster" is not a name of a monster. You can't pick any "HERO" or "Water" monster because those monsters would not be listed on the Fusion Monster Card to assimilate the name of.

 

The nature of the two cards are different, especially since one of them is performing a proper Fusion Summon, which is a game mechanic.

 

Don't use the term BKSS if you can help it.

[Sora1499]

Hi, so I'm playing Firestars and I activated Tensen to boost my soko to 29. Then, i send it to the graveyard for Ensho's effect. Does Soko keep the boost?

[Zazubat]

Hi, so I'm playing Firestars and I activated Tensen to boost my soko to 29. Then, i send it to the graveyard for Ensho's effect. Does Soko keep the boost?

I'm pretty positive that it does, as with most cards that increase ATK, bedises Equip, if it doesn't state that it only works as long as the card is face-up, then it's most likely that it works until it's destroyed, removed from field etc.

Also, since it says "Until the end phase" it will keep it no matter what, unless the monster leaves the field.

 

[ihop]

It keeps the 700 boost but not the 300.

[Zazubat]

It keeps the 700 boost but not the 300.

Oh yeah that's true. I didn't point it out, since I was sure that's not what he wanted out of the question, but yes because it targets it gains it for the rest of the turn is how I think it works.

[Sora1499]

KNEW IT! That admin cheated me out of a win!

[evilfusion]

I'd assume that because it's a Continuous Trap, and the general rule is that Continuous Traps lose their effects when leaving the Field, the Admin didn't notice that the +300 was explicitly stated to apply while it was faceup, but the first part wasn't, making it a rare exception to the rule about Continuous cards.

[Agro]

If the opponent has only Dolkka and Laggia on the field (both with enough materials for their effect) and run into Blast Sphere, can either negate any part of Blast Sphere's effect?

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Here's a question based on a duel I had. My opponent used the effect of Splendid Rose that halves my monster's ATK, let's say a Breaker the Magical Warrior (with no counter). I have a face-up Spellbook Star Hall on the field with 2 counters on it. What is Breaker's ATK? 900, Or 1000? In other words, is the increase of Star Hall applied after the decrease in ATK, or is it taken into consideration when decreasing its ATK?

 

On that same string, what happens then if I gain another Counter on Star Hall after my ATK was decreased?

[Dementuo]

Okay, I ran into this problem just last night.

The clause "(You can only gain this effect once per turn)" seen listed on cards like Double Summon, Constellar Sombres, and Constellar Pollux. Does that clause mean that it is only possible to use one of those three effects each turn, or could all three be used individually in the same turn?