Strider Tigerwolf Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Justice of Prophecy says "During the End Phase of every turn in which you activate a "Spellbook" Spell Card:", does that mean I can activate her effect during my opponent's End Phase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Justice of Prophecy says "During the End Phase of every turn in which you activate a "Spellbook" Spell Card:", does that mean I can activate her effect during my opponent's End Phase?The opponent's End Phase is still an End Phase last I checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Okay I'v a bit of a possibly complicated question. Lets say me or my opp. activates Rivalry of Warlords. Once we destroy the other monster types we control until we only have one type and I activate DNA Surgery and I call a monster type that doesn't exist currently on the field, what happens? Do we destroy the monsters we control because they don't match what they were before DNA Surgery was activated or do they stay? In addition with whatever the answer is for the above question, would the Same apply to Gozen Match with DNA Transplant? One last thing, If I have Rivalry of Warlords, can I not Synchro, XYZ, tribute or SS a monster that does not match the monster type I control much like I can't for Gozen Match? The effect of "Rivalry of Warlords" and "Gozen Match" is that "You can only control 1 of a particular type/attribute on each player's side of the field". The whole "picking a type" is so that at activation, if there is more than one type/attribute, you would be able to remove the monsters of a different type/attribute. You are never locked onto a particular type/attribute. If you activate DNA Surgery/DNA Transplant, nothing would happen to any of the monsters as they are all changing their types/attributes simultaneously, and you'll still end up controlling only 1 Type/Attribute. Lastly, Gozen Match and Rivalry of Warlords work exactly the same way, just one is for Types and the other Attributes. All rulings between them will be alike. Justice of Prophecy says "During the End Phase of every turn in which you activate a "Spellbook" Spell Card:", does that mean I can activate her effect during my opponent's End Phase? Of course. As Meta~ said, an opponent's End Phase is still an End Phase. Justice of Prophecy does not specify only your End Phase, so it can be used during either player's turn when it is triggered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Ok, here's the situation: I control Light and Darkness Dragon, and have Effect Veiler in my hand. My opponent controls Spirit Reaper, and it is their turn. I discard Veiler, target Reaper, then LaDD chains to Veiler. I am correct in assuming that Reaper is destroyed after that chain resolves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 no because LaDD negates veiler so it doesnt target spirit reaper at all. veilers effect never happened in the first place which is what "negated" means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 no because LaDD negates veiler so it doesnt target spirit reaper at all. veilers effect never happened in the first place which is what "negated" means.Dude. You may want to stop giving suggestions until you learn about how the game works, since I don't think I've seen you give a single correct answer. Cards get targeted before they activate. LaDD negates the effect, not the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 im sorry. its just been a very long time since ive played and i get mixed up a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Cards get targeted before they activate. LaDD negates the effect, not the target. I think you'd want to double check what you're saying as well. LaDD negates the activation of the cards it negates, not the effects. If Effect Veiler's activation is negated, then the targeting never happens either. Spirit Reaper will not be destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I think you want to double check what you're saying as well. LaDD negates the activation of the cards it negates, not the effects. If Effect Veiler's activation is negated, then the targeting never happens either. Spirit Reaper will not be destroyed.Well I needed to point it out anyway -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 i typed negate the effect instead of negate the activation. thats not nearly as large an error as you claim i made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 i typed negate the effect instead of negate the activation. thats not nearly as large an error as you claim i made.I'm pointing out all the ones in the past, not that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 no you specifically stated that i was wrong this time too. you dont understand. i have a mental condition that affects my memory. this game has become increasingly difficult for me to keep up with due to all the new effects, rulings errata etc but i love it too much to stop. if im flat out wrong about the effect of a card i understand. but if i do something minor like mix up an inherent summoning or misread something like what exactly is happening on the field, just give me the benefit of the doubt or ask me to clarify/reread a bit instead of getting aggressive about it. especially dont construct a hypothetical scenario where im wrong that doesnt even apply anyways. because i know im gonna make stupid little errors a lot im probably gonna take that to heart which is only gonna confuse me more. thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Because LADD negates activations, Veiler wont kill Reaper via targeting. But if LADD didnt negate activation, and just negated the effects, Reaper would die because while the effect's resolution did nothing, it still targeted. No real need to criticize harshly. If his answer is wrong, most likely someone else will point out the correct answer and he'll learn something as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Because LADD negates activations, Veiler wont kill Reaper via targeting. But if LADD didnt negate activation, and just negated the effects, Reaper would die because while the effect's resolution did nothing, it still targeted. No real need to criticize harshly. If his answer is wrong, most likely someone else will point out the correct answer and he'll learn something as a result. if him refers to me im a lady but if not nevermind. either way, thank you for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 if him refers to me im a lady but if not nevermind. either way, thank you for clarifying.There are no girls on the internet.(Welcome to the interwebs. Enjoy your stay.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Guys, play nice. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Guys, play nice. <_<useless comment is useless yay! Anyways my question: I have read the Rulings on this card, and it says that it's two effects: If this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect: If it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect, you can target 1 monster in your opponent's Graveyard; add 1 "Dark World" card from your Deck to your hand, then Special Summon that target (if any) in face-up Defense Position. As you might know the card is Snoww, Unlight of Dark World. The thing that confuses me is that the targeting effect is connected to "by an opponent's card effect" and that the ruling I have read means that the only the Special Summon is due to it being your opponent's card effect, and that the adding is from your own. This is really weirdly written as the sentence is never ended, it just adds the semi-colon, typicly meaning that a cost has been made, not that it was an interposed sentence (I don't know if that's what's it is called in english, just took it from google). Typicly in Yu-Gi-Oh, there's no interposed sentences, but instead have them as a separate sections of the card. Why is it written like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 useless comment is useless yay! Anyways my question: I have read the Rulings on this card, and it says that it's two effects: If this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect: If it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect, you can target 1 monster in your opponent's Graveyard; add 1 "Dark World" card from your Deck to your hand, then Special Summon that target (if any) in face-up Defense Position. As you might know the card is Snoww, Unlight of Dark World. The thing that confuses me is that the targeting effect is connected to "by an opponent's card effect" and that the ruling I have read means that the only the Special Summon is due to it being your opponent's card effect, and that the adding is from your own. This is really weirdly written as the sentence is never ended, it just adds the semi-colon, typicly meaning that a cost has been made, not that it was an interposed sentence (I don't know if that's what's it is called in english, just took it from google). Typicly in Yu-Gi-Oh, there's no interposed sentences, but instead have them as a separate sections of the card. Why is it written like this?The adding is from any "effect" that would discard it. It does not have to be just you. The other part is strictly if it's discard by an opp.s card effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I'm not entirely sure. I thought that if it was discarded by your opponent's effect you would get the search AND summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 If discarded by opponent you search and summon, if discarded by you you only search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Anyways my question: I have read the Rulings on this card, and it says that it's two effects: If this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect: If it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect, you can target 1 monster in your opponent's Graveyard; add 1 "Dark World" card from your Deck to your hand, then Special Summon that target (if any) in face-up Defense Position. As you might know the card is Snoww, Unlight of Dark World. The thing that confuses me is that the targeting effect is connected to "by an opponent's card effect" and that the ruling I have read means that the only the Special Summon is due to it being your opponent's card effect, and that the adding is from your own. This is really weirdly written as the sentence is never ended, it just adds the semi-colon, typicly meaning that a cost has been made, not that it was an interposed sentence (I don't know if that's what's it is called in english, just took it from google). Typicly in Yu-Gi-Oh, there's no interposed sentences, but instead have them as a separate sections of the card. Why is it written like this? Trigger: "If this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect"Cost/Activation Conditions: "If it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect, you can target 1 monster in your opponent's Graveyard"Effect: "Add 1 "Dark World" card from your Deck to your hand, then Special Summon that target (if any) in face-up Defense Position.". If you look only at the Activation Condition, you are able to choose a target only if it were discarded by an opponent's card effect. Otherwise, the card activation doesn't target. You're looking at "If this card is discarded by an opponent's card's effect" as a Trigger when it is, in fact, a Condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Trigger: "If this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect"Cost/Activation Conditions: "If it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect, you can target 1 monster in your opponent's Graveyard"Effect: "Add 1 "Dark World" card from your Deck to your hand, then Special Summon that target (if any) in face-up Defense Position.". If you look only at the Activation Condition, you are able to choose a target only if it were discarded by an opponent's card effect. Otherwise, the card activation doesn't target. You're looking at "If this card is discarded by an opponent's card's effect" as a Trigger when it is, in fact, a Condition.I really wasn't, I knew it was a condition, and I know what the effect does and when it does it, I'm just confused on the translation set-up as it seems really weird compaired to other cards with multiple condition set-ups. I don't get why it wasn't set up like "Broww, Huntsman of Dark World" as that clearly states that if it gets an effect it was your own card discarding it, and an additional if it was your opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 I really wasn't, I knew it was a condition, and I know what the effect does and when it does it, I'm just confused on the translation set-up as it seems really weird compaired to other cards with multiple condition set-ups. I don't get why it wasn't set up like "Broww, Huntsman of Dark World" as that clearly states that if it gets an effect it was your own card discarding it, and an additional if it was your opponent.Because Broww doesn't target at all while Snoww targets for it's second effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Because Broww doesn't target at all while Snoww targets for it's second effect. That seems silly to write it like that then. Why not write it so it was separate? Here see it's simple: If this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect; add 1 "Dark World" card from your Deck to your hand. Also, if it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect: You can target 1 monster in your opponent's Graveyard; Special Summon that target (if any) in face-up Defense Position. See, way easier to understand, you get one effect if it was your own, and an other if it was your opponent's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Metaman Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 That seems silly to write it like that then. Why not write it so it was separate? Here see it's simple: If this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect; add 1 "Dark World" card from your Deck to your hand. Also, if it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect: You can target 1 monster in your opponent's Graveyard; Special Summon that target (if any) in face-up Defense Position. See, way easier to understand, you get one effect if it was your own, and an other if it was your opponent's. The card only have 1 effect,not 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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