Zazubat Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 It will be destroyed, but since it can't be banished it will go to the Graveyard. After that, other Bottomless Trap Holes cannot be activated because they cannot resolve correctly.If a monster is equipped with Light Laser and is destroyed by battle, will Light Laser apply its effect?Why can't others be activated, wouldn't it just do the same thing, sending it to the Graveyard instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Why can't others be activated, wouldn't it just do the same thing, sending it to the Graveyard instead?You cannot execute the entire effect, so you cannot even try to start it. The one you activated is, well, already activated, and will try to resolve as well as it can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 You cannot execute the entire effect, so you cannot even try to start it.The one you activated is, well, already activated, and will try to resolve as well as it can.So if I activate it before I summon, my opponent can't activate it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 So if I activate it before I summon, my opponent can't activate it? Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Correct.good, then that card goes in my deck :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Can Eco be activated in the middle of a chain, or does it have to be the last part (or first part, depending on the perspective) of the chain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Can Eco be activated in the middle of a chain, or does it have to be the last part (or first part, depending on the perspective) of the chain?It's a trigger effect. As long as taking effect damage is the last thing to happen, you can activate it at any point in the chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Can Eco be activated in the middle of a chain, or does it have to be the last part (or first part, depending on the perspective) of the chain? The effect is a "When... You Can" trigger effect. Taking damage must be the last thing to happen in order for you to activate Eco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 So I take that as a no, then? It's kind of hard to tell if you're telling me yes or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 So I take that as a no, then? It's kind of hard to tell if you're telling me yes or no. I wasn't sure on what you were asking at first, but maybe this helps: Eco is a Trigger Effect. You will have to activate it before any non-trigger effects that you could choose to activate in response to taking Damage, so it will most likely be Chain Link #1. The only way it will end up higher is if there are other mandatory/optional Trigger Effects being activated at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 It activates only after you have taken damage, so I just want to know if I can activate it and resolve it in some sort of scenario like my opponent activating Secret Barrel and chaining Just Desserts to Secret Barrel, then I will inflict the damage from Just Desserts and stop the damage from Secret Barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 It activates only after you have taken damage, so I just want to know if I can activate it and resolve it in some sort of scenario like my opponent activating Secret Barrel and chaining Just Desserts to Secret Barrel, then I will inflict the damage from Just Desserts and stop the damage from Secret Barrel. Then no. You cannot activate new cards while a chain is resolving. If your opponent activates both Secret Barrel and Just Desserts in a chain, both will resolve before you get a chance to activate Eco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Then no. You cannot activate new cards while a chain is resolving. If your opponent activates both Secret Barrel and Just Desserts in a chain, both will resolve before you get a chance to activate Eco.BOTH resolve without me being able to do anything? But Eco only activates after I had taken damage... It's literally impossible to activate it even during the resolution of the final link of a chain? If so, then it's a completely useless card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 BOTH resolve without me being able to do anything? But Eco only activates after I had taken damage... It's literally impossible to activate it even during the resolution of the final link of a chain? If so, then it's a completely useless card. You would be able to activate Eco when the chain of Secret Barrel and Just Desserts resolves. Since Secret Barrel was Chain Link #1, you will be activating Eco in response to Secret Barrel's damage. Its impossible to activate any card during the resolution of another card. Unfortunately, its a lot like Droll & Lock Bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Well, I'm glad that I asked. I didn't think I could use it in the middle of a chain, but now that I know for sure I can safely say that it's too situational to be used against a standard burn deck (IE Chain Burn). Even if it went off, the opponent would know from then on to start their chain using a non-burn effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Well, I'm glad that I asked. I didn't think I could use it in the middle of a chain, but now that I know for sure I can safely say that it's too situational to be used against a standard burn deck (IE Chain Burn). Even if it went off, the opponent would know from then on to start their chain using a non-burn effect. You should probably stick with Des Wombat. I suppose I can see where you'd want the whole Special Summoning of a Level 4 as well, but on its own, Eco doesn't really stop chain burn except for the rest of the turn, and even then, wouldn't stop all the damage you already took in their big chain, much like how Droll & Lock Bird only stops drawing after the initial draw was already completed (where its usually the most useless), Chain Burn generally only does one big chain per turn, so it probably wouldn't help stop anything and will just delay them a turn if they did have more. I'd go with either Des Wombat or even Black-Winged Dragon (or whatever fits your deck obviously). There's also cards like Prime Material Dragon and Simochi and others, but deciding on fitting these in a deck or using them as a side deck choice may be tough. I suppose if you can sync Level 8s then Black-Winged Dragon is the easiest choice but with everyone focusing on Xyz, there's probably less access to it nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Everyone remember that chains involve both the activation phase and the resolution phase. You can activate more effects as long as the chain has not begun to resolve. During resolution, no card effects can be activated and only the last effect resolved will be remembered for "When: You can" effects. The only effects that can be applied are continuous effects and cards that specifically state that an action occurs immediately (such as Bountiful Artemis). Um... did I miss anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Everyone remember that chains involve both the activation phase and the resolution phase. You can activate more effects as long as the chain has not begun to resolve. During resolution, no card effects can be activated and only the last effect resolved will be remembered for "When: You can" effects. The only effects that can be applied are continuous effects and cards that specifically state that an action occurs immediately (such as Bountiful Artemis). Um... did I miss anything? Well, Bountiful Artemis IS a Continuous Effect so its kinda redundant to add that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Well, Bountiful Artemis IS a Continuous Effect so its kinda redundant to add that part.Oh yeah, that's what I was gonna ask about. Thanks for clearing that up quick. hey look, now you can quote me whenever you come across this issue: Everyone remember that chains involve both the activation phase and the resolution phase. You can activate more effects as long as the chain has not begun to resolve. During resolution, no card effects can be activated and only the last effect resolved will be remembered for "When: You can" effects. The only effects that can be applied are continuous effects and cards that specifically state that an action occurs immediately during the resolution of a chain. Unless of course, there's no actual card that can activate during resolution anyway -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Abyss Dweller vs Fire King High Avatar Garunix. I got into this situation in DN where the dude said that Garunix activates when it's sent to the Graveyard, ie he used Dweller's eff that turn. Was he correct or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Abyss Dweller vs Fire King High Avatar Garunix. I got into this situation in DN where the dude said that Garunix activates when it's sent to the Graveyard, ie he used Dweller's eff that turn. Was he correct or?Garunix's destroyed by battle effect activates when it is sent.It's destroyed by effect activates the next Standby Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynchroTuner Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Can I set Sell/Trap cards while I am under the effect of Non-Aggression Area? A confirmed answer please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Exa Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Can I set Sell/Trap cards while I am under the effect of Non-Aggression Area? A confirmed answer please.It clearly says that you cannot Set, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 It clearly says that you cannot Set, so no.I think his problem was that it didn't say clearly if you couldn't set spell or trap cards, it seemed to only refer to monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think his problem was that it didn't say clearly if you couldn't set spell or trap cards, it seemed to only refer to monsters. There are no official rulings for it in regards to this situation, but I think it should be pretty obvious that it only refers to monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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