newhat Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Since this has bugged me for a while: If a Galaxy Zero equipped to Galaxy Eyes, and then Zero is destroyed, is Galaxy-Eyes then allowed to use its effect if attacked? Ergo resetting it to its normal attack value? Yeah. Galaxy-Eyes can use its effect, then after it leaves the field temporarily I believe its ATK will reset, like with Beast King Barbaros and Future Visions. The Temtempo ruling two pages back probably reminded me to ask, hue hue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 EDIT: Just learned that if it returns to the deck it doesn't leave the field, so that's weird. Cards that return to the Deck from the Field are still removed from the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Cards that return to the Deck from the Field are still removed from the field.He's confused because stuff like Tengu doesn't activate.Which is simply explained as you can't search your deck for the Tengu to activate, so its effect does not activate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Cards that return to the Deck from the Field are still removed from the field.Not according to the Wikia, then again, it's the wikia. Well, I got a question then, if a card is returned to the deck and drawn in the same turn, can I activate the card if it says once per turn, if I activated it that turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Not according to the Wikia, then again, it's the wikia. Well, I got a question then, if a card is returned to the deck and drawn in the same turn, can I activate the card if it says once per turn, if I activated it that turn?If it is a card that says "Once per turn: You can X", then yes. If it says "You can only activate this effect/card once per turn" then no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 If it is a card that says "Once per turn: You can X", then yes. If it says "You can only activate this effect/card once per turn" then no.Ah, that means I could also use it from the Grave right? So if my Dark Resonator is destroyed by battle, and I SS from the grave in the same battle phase it gains it's effect back? I am not really good with that kind of stuff heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Not according to the Wikia, then again, it's the wikia. Well, I got a question then, if a card is returned to the deck and drawn in the same turn, can I activate the card if it says once per turn, if I activated it that turn? I dunno what the wiki told you, so its something you should probably explain. In any case, an example of where its wrong, if Call of the Haunted is targeting a monster and Call is returned to the Deck, the monster it is targeting will be destroyed. In the case of a card like "Earthbound Immortal Aslla picsu", when removed from the fiend by being returned to the deck, while the effect is indeed triggered, you do not have access to the card (as you do not have access to your Main Deck) in order to activate it. Only cards that specifically state that you may activate them from the Main Deck are allowed to be used (or in Serpentine Princess' effect where her effect is triggered by returning to the deck, making it the only logical location as to where it could activate.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 From the "Leaves the Field" page on the Wikia: As of September 1st, 2011, when a card is returned from the field to the Main Deck, it is not considered leaving the field.[2] I checked out the link and it says: A card on the field that is sent to the Graveyard, banished, or returned to the hand or Extra Deck can activate its “leaves the field” effect. A card that is shuffled into the Main Deck or becomes Xyz Material cannot. It's from an official Konami website, so it should be legit. I don't know, you be the one to judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 This is why the TCG is so bad. They make up stuff because they themselves do not understand the game's mechanics. This is why the TCG always has so many differences in ruling with the OCG because they wont bother going to the original source to get the reason. They just make it up. I've already explained the situation above in regards to "leaving the field" and why it cannot activate its effect when returned to the Main Deck. If the TCG wants to explain it in some assbackwards and incorrect way, you may as well follow it as such as such statements will lead to many more incorrect rulings which the TCG players will be forced to follow. Stuff like this is why I stopped admining at Dueling Network. I just can't handle the TCG's nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 This is why the TCG is so bad. They make up stuff because they themselves do not understand the game's mechanics. This is why the TCG always has so many differences in ruling with the OCG because they wont bother going to the original source to get the reason. They just make it up. I've already explained the situation above in regards to "leaving the field" and why it cannot activate its effect when returned to the Main Deck. If the TCG wants to explain it in some assbackwards and incorrect way, you may as well follow it as such as such statements will lead to many more incorrect rulings which the TCG players will be forced to follow. Stuff like this is why I stopped admining at Dueling Network. I just can't handle the TCG's nonsense.I never knew this, and it's only logical that it resets if it goes back to the deck. Ask anyone, and they will properly say that it resets. I am sure most admins on DN don't even know this, in fact I would love to see a duel where somebody does this, calls an admin, admin says that it resets, and then the player calls him out xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I never knew this, and it's only logical that it resets if it goes back to the deck. Ask anyone, and they will properly say that it resets. I am sure most admins on DN don't even know this, in fact I would love to see a duel where somebody does this, calls an admin, admin says that it resets, and then the player calls him out xD "Properly say"? Nothing of the TCG's explanation is "proper". There is no "reset". The explanation is is that you cannot activate the effect because you the player does not have access to the card that has that effect. Again, only cards that specifically allow an activation from the Main Deck can be used from the Main Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 From the "Leaves the Field" page on the Wikia: As of September 1st, 2011, when a card is returned from the field to the Main Deck, it is not considered leaving the field.[2] I checked out the link and it says: A card on the field that is sent to the Graveyard, banished, or returned to the hand or Extra Deck can activate its “leaves the field” effect. A card that is shuffled into the Main Deck or becomes Xyz Material cannot. It's from an official Konami website, so it should be legit. I don't know, you be the one to judge.Actually, I'm reading the source for that bit of wiki text and they don't actually say this...http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=3195I'm looking at the official rulebook to see what they say but as of now it just looks like whoever put that on the wiki interpreted the article wrong Ok yea rulebook just says that monsters that are returned to the deck don't activate their "leaves the field" effect, which while correct suffers from the usual rulebook problem of no actual explanation and leaves it open to grossly misinterpretting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 With Amazoness Village, if a monster's summon is negated and the monster is destroyed, say by a card like Solemn Warning, could you still activate it's effect to Special Summon another Amazoness monster? It says, "when an Amazoness monster is destroyed by battle or by a card effect, and is sent to the Graveyard", not "an Amazoness monster on the field", so I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 If you're asking if it matters where the monster is destroyed, it doesn't matter. They could be destroyed in your deck, hand, or whatever and it would still activate Village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 If you're asking if it matters where the monster is destroyed, it doesn't matter. They could be destroyed in your deck, hand, or whatever and it would still activate Village.though isn't there is a difference between being destroyed, and getting sent from the hand/deck to the graveyard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Here's the paragraphs that the wikia took from: “Leaves the Field”This begs the question, do Xyz Materials ever “leave the field”? Once they stop being monsters and start being Xyz Materials, they’re no longer considered “cards on the field”, but they’re still sitting there right in front of you. When they’re detached, they go to the Graveyard which is something that most people consider “leaving the field”. So it seems, initially, that the card would leave the field twice. But then, you have to reconcile all of this with cards like Reborn Tengu that cannot activate their “leaves the field” effect when they are returned from the field to the Deck even though they clearly had to leave to get there. That’s why we included the section on “leaves the field”.This section specifically defines what will and will not trigger a “leaves the field” effect. A card on the field that is sent to the Graveyard, banished, or returned to the hand or Extra Deck can activate its “leaves the field” effect. A card that is shuffled into the Main Deck or becomes Xyz Material cannot. I think you’ll agree that it’s much easier to say “If this card leaves the field” rather than “If this card on the field is sent to the Graveyard, banished, or returned to the hand or Extra Deck” and gives us more room to tell you what the card actually does. though isn't there is a difference between being destroyed, and getting sent from the hand/deck to the graveyard?Yes. The difference is that they're not the same in any way shape or form. A card is only destroyed if a card specifically says "destroy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Here's the paragraphs that the wikia took from: Again, its just the TCG trying to tell you WHAT it is without having to explain WHY it is. Its the lack of explanations that leave players to make up their own "WHYs" which is why the players as a whole misunderstand concepts due to the general assumptions they make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Not really a ruling question, but I am finding a card to finding this online. Can anyone give me a list of when a monster is destroyed, when is concidered destroyed, and when is not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Not really a ruling question, but I am finding a card to finding this online. Can anyone give me a list of when a monster is destroyed, when is concidered destroyed, and when is not? Your monster is considered destroyed....after that Attack Position monster battles an Attack Position monster with equal or higher ATK, except 0....after that Defense Position monster battles an Attack Position monster with higher ATK than your monster's DEF....when a card effect says to destroy it....when it has the clause that only 1 monster of its kind can exist on the field, and two are put face-up on the field simultaneously....when it is a Spell or Trap Card that has been played as a monster and the force that makes it a monster has disappeared....when it has caused an uncontrolled Infinite Loop by being flipped face-up by an attack. I think this is correct. Also, a question. If my opponent controls a monster, can I pay 1000 Life Points to Normal Summon Evil HERO Malicious Edge without Tribute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Also, a question. If my opponent controls a monster, can I pay 1000 Life Points to Normal Summon Evil HERO Malicious Edge without Tribute? If you mean by using Mausoleum of the Emperor, then no. You would have to either use Evil HERO Malicious Edge's Normal Summon condition or you must pay 2000 Life Points with Mausoleum of the Emperor. You cannot combine them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 It does say "Tribute Summon" in its card text, anyways. You can't Tribute Summon without tributing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 It does say "Tribute Summon" in its card text, anyways. You can't Tribute Summon without tributing. This may be an even better answer considering other rulings, especially with things like Obelisk. You aren't Tribute Summoning with Mausoleum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 If I activate Imperial Iron Wall in response to Bottomless Trap Hole, what will happen to my monster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 If I activate Imperial Iron Wall in response to Bottomless Trap Hole, what will happen to my monster? It will be destroyed, but since it can't be banished it will go to the Graveyard. After that, other Bottomless Trap Holes cannot be activated because they cannot resolve correctly. If a monster is equipped with Light Laser and is destroyed by battle, will Light Laser apply its effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 If a monster is equipped with Light Laser and is destroyed by battle, will Light Laser apply its effect? Yes, the opponent's monster will still be banished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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