newhat Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Perfect! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Apparently on the judge panel, the ruling for Papilloperative is that its effect happens all at once, and card effects do not miss timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Apparently on the judge panel, the ruling for Papilloperative is that its effect happens all at once, and card effects do not miss timing. I don't follow TCG Judges on anything. If it happens all at once, it should be written as such. In any common sense, it would be impossible to decrease the ATK of a face-down monster, so it is not something that can be done simultaneously with "flip it face-up". The only way it could work is to flip it face-up, then reduce its ATK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 I don't follow TCG Judges on anything. If it happens all at once, it should be written as such. In any common sense, it would be impossible to decrease the ATK of a face-down monster, so it is not something that can be done simultaneously with "flip it face-up". The only way it could work is to flip it face-up, then reduce its ATK.Well, if it didn't say "and if you do", I would assume that it wouldn't be able to target face-down monsters, since their ATK can't be changed, or it would simply not apply in any case. So they had to word it like that, but maybe that's now how they intended for its effect to work? I can't speak for the card designers or judges, I just know that's what Vexacus4666 said it was ruled as, and he is an official judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Well, if it didn't say "and if you do", I would assume that it wouldn't be able to target face-down monsters, since their ATK can't be changed, or it would simply not apply in any case. So they had to word it like that, but maybe that's now how they intended for its effect to work? I can't speak for the card designers or judges, I just know that's what Vexacus4666 said it was ruled as, and he is an official judge. Also, the term "and if you do" would mean that "If the first part happened successfully, do the second part". Where does it sound like it could happen simultaneously if it uses the term "and if you do", where the first part must happen first before the second part can happen (and therefore not be simultaneous)? Well, whether its wrong or that's how its supposed to work, I can only go with what I know. If it becomes officially ruled as such, you should follow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Well, I wasn't trying to poo on you or anything, or say "YOU'RE WRONG!", I just thought I would bring it up since it's relevant to everyone's interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Well, I wasn't trying to poo on you or anything, or say "YOU'RE WRONG!", I just thought I would bring it up since it's relevant to everyone's interest. Not saying you were. I just like to be against TCG anything since they can't even explain their own decisions in accordance to the game rules. Don't feel that you're doing anything wrong by bringing it up, since its always what TCG says in the end. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 From what I gather. "and if you do" effects happen at the same timing even though the second effect is dependent on the first.In addition "also" effects seem to happen at the same timing and neither effect is dependent on the other. As such, what would be the wording for:• Cards with 2 effects that happen in order at different timings and the second ability is dependent on the first?• Cards with 2 effects that happen in order at different timings but neither effect is dependent on the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Problem-Solving Card Text seems to be fluffing up the older term "and" by making it "and if you do", thereby making it simultaneous like the term "and". My issue is with the ability to modify ATK and flip a face-down monster face-up simultaneously, but perhaps it doesn't matter in this case. There is no Problem-Solving Card Text that I can think of in regards to "the second ability is dependant on the first". A card that seemed to be written as simultaneous but isn't would be the card "ZERO-MAX". The effect uses "and" but the second part of that "and" is reliant on the Special Summoned monster's ATK (which Special Summoning it is the first part), so that effect is NOT simultaneous. ZERO-MAX hasn't been rewritten in Problem-Solving Card Text so how they reword it is unknown. In any case, just take "and if you do" as the rewording of "and" and assume its simultaneous, which should make Photon Papilloperative not cause cards to miss the timing when their optional "When... you can" trigger is to be flipped face-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 It Evigishki Levianima gets hit with a D Prison when it attacks, do you still Draw 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 CL #1: LevianimaCL #2: Dimensional Prison At least, that's how I'd like to think of it. So, I believe you would still be able to draw a card, even if Levianima is no longer on the field when D-Prison hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Sent to the Graveyard effect: If my monster's effect is negated while on the field, such as Sangan, and is sent to the Graveyard, do I still gain the effect? Since it's effect activates when it's off the field. ex::Summoned Tour GuideSS Sangan w/ negated effectSangan goes off field Do I gain effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Sent to the Graveyard effect: If my monster's effect is negated while on the field, such as Sangan, and is sent to the Graveyard, do I still gain the effect? Since it's effect activates when it's off the field. ex::Summoned Tour GuideSS Sangan w/ negated effectSangan goes off field Do I gain effect? Yes, you will still gain the effect of Sangan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I activate Minefield Eruption with 1 Mine Golem on field. He Forbidden Lances it. Does that just prevent its destruction? I'm pretty sure it does, But I want to make sure, since It isn't being affected by it, it's just being counted by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I activate Minefield Eruption with 1 Mine Golem on field. He Forbidden Lances it. Does that just prevent its destruction? I'm pretty sure it does, But I want to make sure, since It isn't being affected by it, it's just being counted by it. Minefield Eruption will inflict 1000 point of damage. The Mine Golem he chose to Forbidden Lance will not be destroyed. The Mine Golem being unaffected by Spells/Traps doesn't keep it from being a "'Mine Golem' that's face-up on the field", so it will still count for Minefield Eruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I have "Imperial Iron Wall" active and "The Huge Revolution is Over" face-down. If my opponent activates "Heavy Storm", then:1. Can I activate THRiO and negate "Heavy Storm", but the Spell won't be banished because of the Iron Wall?OR2. I cannot activate THRiO at all because it banishes a card, something that the Iron Wall prevents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 I have "Imperial Iron Wall" active and "The Huge Revolution is Over" face-down. If my opponent activates "Heavy Storm", then:1. Can I activate THRiO and negate "Heavy Storm", but the Spell won't be banished because of the Iron Wall?OR2. I cannot activate THRiO at all because it banishes a card, something that the Iron Wall prevents? You cannot activate "The Huge Revolution is Over". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 If that's the case, then is it possible to activate Bottomless Trap Hole under Imperial Iron Wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 If that's the case, then is it possible to activate Bottomless Trap Hole under Imperial Iron Wall? You cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 If Spellbook Institute - La Maison is destroyed by the activation of an opponent's Field Spell, will its effect activate? I don't think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 It won't activate if a Field Spell is activated, because it's being destroyed by a game mechanic, not a card effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 In regards to glads i have 2 questions. Can I use a Fusion Glad Beast for the fusion material of another Fusion Glad? Can I contact fuse for a Fusion Glad during the battle phase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 In regards to glads i have 2 questions. Can I use a Fusion Glad Beast for the fusion material of another Fusion Glad? Of course you can. Can I contact fuse for a Fusion Glad during the battle phase? The battle phase is what it's name implies, the phase where you battle, nothing more, nothing less (unless you derp around with cards like Battle Fader / Gorz / Tragoedia). So no, you cannot Contact Summon a Gladiator Beast during the battle phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Of course you can. The battle phase is what it's name implies, the phase where you battle, nothing more, nothing less (unless you derp around with cards like Battle Fader / Gorz / Tragoedia). So no, you cannot Contact Summon a Gladiator Beast during the battle phase.If you could, that would be the biggest BS in all of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Can I contact fuse for a Fusion Glad during the battle phase? A Contact Fusion is considered an Inherent Speical Summon. Inherent Special Summons can only be performed during your Main Phases. I'm only answering since I didn't like Zanda Panda's answer of "the battle phase is the battle phase" =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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