Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[shadowferret]

If I have a Chain Energy on my field, can I use Cashback on any Spell they activate from their hand?

[darkwolf777]

If I have a Chain Energy on my field, can I use Cashback on any Spell they activate from their hand?

 

Considering Spell Economics doesn't work with Chain Energy, the 500 Life Point payment is not considered as part of the cost to activate the card itself. It is a separate 500 Life Point payment due to the effects of Chain Energy and not of the card or effect that's being activated.

 

Therefore, if a card is being activated that has no Life Point cost while Chain Energy is on the field, then it would be considered that you aren't paying anything to activate the card, but are paying 500 Life Points due to Chain Energy's effect. If a card did have a cost, like Toon World, then you're paying two separate costs: The 1000 LP for Toon World, and 500 LP for Chain Energy. Its not considered one payment, but two separate payments.

 

My guess would be that you cannot use Cashback when the only thing they paid to activate a card would be the 500 Life Point payment due to Chain Energy.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Question: If i activate photon Sanctuary, can I tribute them in the same turn to summon Light and Darkness Dragon? Since Although LaDD is still a light monster, it counts as a dark one the field. Would sanctuary prevent this from being summon due to it being considered a DARK monster on the field?

 

Im hoping no, but I wanted to check.

[Agro]

Question: If i activate photon Sanctuary, can I tribute them in the same turn to summon Light and Darkness Dragon? Since Although LaDD is still a light monster, it counts as a dark one the field. Would sanctuary prevent this from being summon due to it being considered a DARK monster on the field?

 

Im hoping no, but I wanted to check.

Light and Darkness dragon isn't a DARK until it's face-up on the field, meaning that its summon is successful. Yes you can tribute tokens from Photon Sanctuary in the same turn for it.

[Shizuku Oikawa]

If I use the effect of Utopia Ray and make his ATK 4000 while making an opponent's monster lose 3000 ATK, and I Summon Number 69 afterwards, negating Utopia Ray's effect, does the Stat change from both monsters affected by Utopia Ray go back to normal or just Utopia Ray's ATK?

[Agro]

If I use the effect of Utopia Ray and make his ATK 4000 while making an opponent's monster lose 3000 ATK, and I Summon Number 69 afterwards, negating Utopia Ray's effect, does the Stat change from both monsters affected by Utopia Ray go back to normal or just Utopia Ray's ATK?

Hm... well, the common way of thinking about it is that if it only effects itself, the attack change is removed, but if it's used on multiple monsters, it is not.

 

So I don't believe so...

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

There's already an official ruling that states if Utopia Ray's effect is negated after it has already resolved, the stat changes still remain.

[Expelsword]

Three Laval Volcano Handmaidens get hit by Torrential, two miss the timing, right?

[darkwolf777]

Three Laval Volcano Handmaidens get hit by Torrential, two miss the timing, right?

 

No. Why would they?

 

"Missing the Timing" incorporates not being able to activate an optional "when... you can" effect because at the timing where you would need to activate it is a time where new effects cannot be activated, such as a card is in the middle of resolving, a process isn't complete (like performing a Tribute Summon or Synchro Summon where you must finish the summon before doing anything else), you're in the middle of resolving a chain and new cards cannot be activated yet, and so on. "When... you can" effects have a precise timing. If you are not able to activate it at that timing, you lose the chance to ever activate it.

 

"Dupe Frog" is used for a Synchro Summon. When "Dupe Frog" is "Sent from the field to the Graveyard", the Synchro Sujmmon is not complete yet. You are not able to interrupt the Synchro Summon with Dupe Frog's effect. Dupe Frog has no choice but to miss the timing.

 

"Fortune Lady Light" is on the field. My opponent activates MST on my face-down card. I activate it in response and it is "Compulsory Evacuation Device" targeting "Fortune Lady Light". At Chain Link #2, CED resolves and returns Fortune Lady Light to the hand. "Fortune Lady Light" cannot activate at the time she is "removed from the field by a card effect" because Chain Link #1 has not finished resolving, so the chain has not completely resolved. "Fortune Lady Light" will miss the timing.

 

"Peten the Dark Clown" is in my hand. I discard it for the cost of "Raigeki Break". When "Peten the Dark Clown" is "sent to the Graveyard", its Trigger Effect, being a Spell Speed 1 effect, cannot chain to the effect of "Raigeki Break", a Spell Speed 2 effect. "Peten the Dark Clown" will therefore miss the timing.

 

All 3 Laval Volcano Handmaidens have the same timing for activation. At the timing, cards CAN be activated, unlike in a "Missing the Timing" scenario where cards CANNOT be activated (unless TT was Chain Link #2 or higher). Since you are able to activate one of them, you are able to activate all three of them in a chain.

[Just Crouton]

A Level 1 Effect Monster treats itself as a Normal Monster in the Graveyard only. Does that mean I can Special Summon it with Tri-Wight?

[darkwolf777]

A Level 1 Effect Monster treats itself as a Normal Monster in the Graveyard only. Does that mean I can Special Summon it with Tri-Wight?

 

Yes. It would not matter what type of monster card it becomes once it reaches the field..

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Gachi Gachi Gentetsu's anti-destruction doesn't start a chain, does it? I don't think it does, but I just wanted to be sure.

[-Berserker-]

It does not.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Alright, my final question is one that's probably been asked a lot, but can Photon Pappiloperative EVER cause a card to miss timing? I know on flip effects it doesn't, but what about in the case of something like Geargia Armor?

[darkwolf777]

Alright, my final question is one that's probably been asked a lot, but can Photon Pappiloperative EVER cause a card to miss timing? I know on flip effects it doesn't, but what about in the case of something like Geargia Armor?

 

Geargiarmor is a "When... you can" Trigger Effect. Photon Pappiloperative flips the monster face-up, then reduces ATK. It is not simultaneous.

 

Therefore, when Geargiarmor is flipped face-up, the effect of Photon Pappiloperative then reduces ATK. You are unable to activate Geargiarmor during the resolution of Photon Pappiloperative when its flipped since the ATK reduction still needs to resolve. It will miss the timing.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

I guess I got confused because it's all in one line, and usually when a card causes missed timing it is in multiple lines.

[darkwolf777]

I guess I got confused because it's all in one line, and usually when a card causes missed timing it is in multiple lines.

 

The "and if you do" part shows that the first part had to have successfully happen before the reduction can occur.

[The Dark Knight]

Argued this with my friend last night, and we ended up agreeing with my argument:

 

If my opponent attacks with Catastor and I use my Utopia's effect, Catastor's effect will not go off, correct?

 

My friend thought that just by declaring the attack, Catastor's destroy effect would activate.

[newhat]

Argued this with my friend last night, and we ended up agreeing with my argument:

 

If my opponent attacks with Catastor and I use my Utopia's effect, Catastor's effect will not go off, correct?

 

My friend thought that just by declaring the attack, Catastor's destroy effect would activate.

 

Catastor won't trigger. Catastor activates at the start of the Damage Step, which you will never reach because the attack was stopped in the Battle Step.

 

A question of my own, for a critical combo.

 

When Madolche Messengelato is Special Summoned while I control a Beast-Type Madolche, it searches my Deck for a Madolche Spell or Trap.

 

When Madolche Mewfeuille, a Beast, is Normal Summoned, it Special Summons a Madolche monster from my hand.

 

If I Normal Summon Mewfeuille, then Special Summon Messengelato, can I Special Summon T.G. Warwolf?

[Ranma 1/2]

Gishki Noellia:

When this card is Normal Summoned: You can reveal the top 5 cards of your Deck, send any revealed Ritual Spell Card(s) or "Gishki" Monster Card(s) to the Graveyard, then return the other cards to the bottom of your Deck in any order you choose.

Kinda confused about the monster part. Does it mean ALL Gishki monsters or just the Ritual ones? The wording just confuses me.

[newhat]

Gishki Noellia:

When this card is Normal Summoned: You can reveal the top 5 cards of your Deck, send any revealed Ritual Spell Card(s) or "Gishki" Monster Card(s) to the Graveyard, then return the other cards to the bottom of your Deck in any order you choose.

Kinda confused about the monster part. Does it mean ALL Gishki monsters or just the Ritual ones? The wording just confuses me.

 

All Gishki monsters. Otherwise the word "Ritual" would be between "Gishki" and "Monster".

[Ranma 1/2]

All Gishki monsters. Otherwise the word "Ritual" would be between "Gishki" and "Monster".

Thanks!!

[Agro]

Catastor won't trigger. Catastor activates at the start of the Damage Step, which you will never reach because the attack was stopped in the Battle Step.

 

A question of my own, for a critical combo.

 

When Madolche Messengelato is Special Summoned while I control a Beast-Type Madolche, it searches my Deck for a Madolche Spell or Trap.

 

When Madolche Mewfeuille, a Beast, is Normal Summoned, it Special Summons a Madolche monster from my hand.

 

If I Normal Summon Mewfeuille, then Special Summon Messengelato, can I Special Summon T.G. Warwolf?

There's no reason you can't.

 

You Normal Summon Mewfeuille, Mewfeuille effect activates, you chain Warwolf, Warwolf eff resolves and SS, Mewfeuille effect resolves and Messengelato is SS, Messengelato searches.

 

Or, You NS Mewfeuille, Mewfeuille effect activates, resolves SS Messengelato, Messengelato effect activates, chain Warwolf, Warwolf is SS, Messengelato effect resolves.

 

EDIT: If you reveal a set monster, is it technically face-up on the field?

[Expelsword]

Great Flaming Star - Hawkei

When this card is destroyed by your opponent's card (either by battle or by card effect): You can choose 1 "Flaming Dance" Spell Card from your Deck and Set it in your Spell & Trap Card Zone. While a "Flaming Dance" Spell or Trap Card is face-up on the field, all "Flaming Star" monsters you control gain 500(?) ATK and DEF.

 

Would this boost itself during the battle it was attacked while set?

[darkwolf777]

EDIT: If you reveal a set monster, is it technically face-up on the field?

 

No, it is not.

 

Great Flaming Star - Hawkei

When this card is destroyed by your opponent's card (either by battle or by card effect): You can choose 1 "Flaming Dance" Spell Card from your Deck and Set it in your Spell & Trap Card Zone. While a "Flaming Dance" Spell or Trap Card is face-up on the field, all "Flaming Star" monsters you control gain 500(?) ATK and DEF.

 

Would this boost itself during the battle it was attacked while set?

 

Its a Continuous Effect. As long as its face-up on the field, its Continuous Effect will apply. Sure it will gain the ATK and DEF from its own effect if its attacked and flipped face-up that way.