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Hmm this one's a new one for me:

 

If Screech is destroyed by battle and mills 2 WATER monsters: "Atlantean" Armsman/Marsman/Seahorseman, will the "Atlantean" monsters gain their effects since they were sent by an effect, or does it have to be as a "cost" to activate a WATER monster's effect?

 

If the answer is obvious, please excuse my stupidity.

 

NVM...reasoned out the answer

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Hmm this one's a new one for me:

 

If Screech is destroyed by battle and mills 2 WATER monsters: "Atlantean" Armsman/Marsman/Seahorseman, will the "Atlantean" monsters gain their effects since they were sent by an effect, or does it have to be as a "cost" to activate a WATER monster's effect?

 

If the answer is obvious, please excuse my stupidity.

 

NVM...reasoned out the answer

Btw it's obvious *shot*

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Trying to get a definitive answer.

 

Soul Drain prevents monsters in the Grave and Banish zone from activating their effects.

I ram Guaiba into another 1700 monster, killing both. Guaiba is sent to the Grave.

Guaiba now wants to activate. But Guaiba's in the Grave. Does Soul Drain prevent it, or is the fact that Guaiba's effect would activate on the field enough to allow it to get through?

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Trying to get a definitive answer.

 

Soul Drain prevents monsters in the Grave and Banish zone from activating their effects.

I ram Guaiba into another 1700 monster, killing both. Guaiba is sent to the Grave.

Guaiba now wants to activate. But Guaiba's in the Grave. Does Soul Drain prevent it, or is the fact that Guaiba's effect would activate on the field enough to allow it to get through?

If the effect activates on the field, Soul Drain won't negate it. Unlike Skill Drain, Soul Drain doesn't care where the monster is, only where the effect is.
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Wouldn't the effect be in the Graveyard technically because Guaiba's already been destroyed?

The effect can't really activate in the Graveyard. I think it activates at the same time a Flip effect would. It's decided that it's going to the Graveyard, but it still activates on the field.
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Jurrac Guaiba's effect will not activate since it is also destroyed. This is because all "when this card destroys a monster by battle and sends it to the graveyard" effects will not activate if the monster using it is not on the field.

Guaiba doesn't say "and sends it to the graveyard". Guaiba does activate.
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Trying to get a definitive answer.

 

Soul Drain prevents monsters in the Grave and Banish zone from activating their effects.

I ram Guaiba into another 1700 monster, killing both. Guaiba is sent to the Grave.

Guaiba now wants to activate. But Guaiba's in the Grave. Does Soul Drain prevent it, or is the fact that Guaiba's effect would activate on the field enough to allow it to get through?

 

This is an interesting question. My guess is that considering Jurrac Guaiba activates its effect on the field, I would assume it is not affected by Soul Drain.

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Well it can't negate Rabbit. So why should it negate Guaiba?

It doesn't "negate" anything.

It prevents the activation of monsters in the Graveyard or Banished Zone.

Rabbit is on the field when it activates (the card itself).

In my scenario Guaiba is in the Graveyard when it would activate. Hence my question.

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It doesn't "negate" anything.

It prevents the activation of monsters in the Graveyard or Banished Zone.

Rabbit is on the field when it activates (the card itself).

In my scenario Guaiba is in the Graveyard when it would activate. Hence my question.

Prevents activation of EFFECTS in the Graveyard/RFP BY monsters. Their effects do not activate in the grave though, they activate on the field, therefore they will not be negated. You can't "negate a monster", only a monster's effect (or, I guess Summon, but that's besides the point).

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Prevents activation of EFFECTS in the Graveyard/RFP BY monsters. Their effects do not activate in the grave though, they activate on the field, therefore they will not be negated. You can't "negate a monster", only a monster's effect (or, I guess Summon, but that's besides the point).

Activate by paying 1000 Life Points. Monsters that are banished, as well as monsters in the Graveyard, cannot activate their effects (that start a Chain)

I don't get why you guys don't see what I mean then tell me I'm wrong. Guaiba's in the Grave. I'm not worried about where the effect is, I'm worried about where the monster is.

AND "NEGATE" HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS! SOUL DRAIN PREVENTS ACTIVATION, IT DOES NOT NEGATE

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I don't get why you guys don't see what I mean then tell me I'm wrong. Guaiba's in the Grave. I'm not worried about where the effect is, I'm worried about where the monster is.

AND "NEGATE" HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS! SOUL DRAIN PREVENTS ACTIVATION, IT DOES NOT NEGATE

You don't get that the effect activates on the field, which is the whole point, and I did a grammatical error, big whoop. Settle down.

 

You need to realize that it doesn't matter where a monster is, the effect is still being used somewhere else, and it stops the effect, not the monster.

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You don't get that the effect doesn't activate on the field, which is the whole point, and I did a grammatical error, big whoop. Settle down.

 

You need to realize that it doesn't matter where a monster is, the effect is still being used somewhere else, and it stops the effect, not the monster.

Uh the effect is on the field.

And I realize it stops the effect. But it says monsters in the Grave cannot activate their effects. Guaiba is in the Grave. Do you see why I asked the question in the first place?

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I understand your conflictions, Grapha, though I'm still leaning on the side that he still gets its effect. Despite the fact that Guaiba would be in the Graveyard at the time the effect activates at the end of the Damage Step, his effect still activates on the field, which should then consider Guaiba as being on the field at the time of activation.

 

Even then, the game loses scope of the monster once it leaves the field. Al the game should be seeing is the effect of a "Jurrac Guaiba" that activated on the field, but has no idea where that Jurrac Guaiba is since it lost scope of it. The game would have no idea the Jurrac Guaiba that's in the Graveyard is the same one as the one that's activating an effect on the field. The only thing the Field knows is that the Jurrac Guaiba that activated the effect is not on the field. It has no idea where it is.

 

As much as I hate asking the TCG for anything, you may as well as them, though I myself would wait for the OCG's decision on that, but I believe that it still activates. Those are my two cents.

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