Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 If only flipping them removed their materials. How does it even work if you shuffle your face-downs? You can always tell which one is an XYZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Cards that shuffle face-downs are silly design anyway because card sleeves exist. IMO they should go to the same place as Alien Infiltrator and Question in that they should not be played in tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Cards that shuffle face-downs are silly design anyway because card sleeves exist. IMO they should go to the same place as Alien Infiltrator and Question in that they should not be played in tournaments.Well, unless you have your opponent's cards you shouldn't be worrying about that. For tournaments, all of your cards have to have the same sleeves, and can't be marked. This is also random, but you reminded me. A lot of people don't realize you are not allowed to manually move your cards from zone to zone. Once they're placed in a spot, they're stuck there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Hypothetically Speaking: If a monster effect activates when it's returned to the Deck from the Graveyard, and Dolkka negates it, would the effect monster return to the graveyard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Hypothetically Speaking: If a monster effect activates when it's returned to the Deck from the Graveyard, and Dolkka negates it, would the effect monster return to the graveyard? The effect activates while the monster is in the Deck. Monsters in the Deck can't be destroyed except by cards that specifically say so like Chain Destruction. So it would stay in the Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Hypothetically Speaking: If a monster effect activates when it's returned to the Deck from the Graveyard, and Dolkka negates it, would the effect monster return to the graveyard? You wouldn't be able to use Dolkka to negate a card that activated in the deck, as the activated effect's card's location is known but cannot be accessed by either player, so it cannot be destroyed. I know you can't Divine Wrath a Serpentine Princess, so I assume you cannot use Dolkka either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 You wouldn't be able to use Dolkka to negate a card that activated in the deck, as the activated effect's card's location is known but cannot be accessed by either player, so it cannot be destroyed. I know you can't Divine Wrath a Serpentine Princess, so I assume you cannot use Dolkka either.And thusly, an archetype was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Can I detach a material from Sacred Ptolemys Messier 7 and then return that same material to my hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Can I detach a material from Sacred Ptolemys Messier 7 and then return that same material to my hand?Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Yes.Alright, I wasn't sure because "M7 isn't a real card". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Here's something that really confuses me:Do mandatory effects that activate upon summoning have to go off for you to be able to Summon a monster or not?Let's say I tribute summon Thestalos while my opponent has no cards in their hand for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 You mean, can you summon a monster who has a mandatory effect you can't fufill?I'd assume you can, the effect would just do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 You mean, can you summon a monster who has a mandatory effect you can't fufill?I'd assume you can, the effect would just do nothing.Thought something like that, just wanted to make sure.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 The monster's effect doesn't stop summons unless it says it does. Thestalos says nothing about having to be able to activate it's effect to be summoned, so it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 If someone summons a monster and chains Book of Moon, could I still use Torrential Tribute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 If someone summons a monster and chains Book of Moon, could I still use Torrential Tribute? 1) Summons do not start chains, therefore you cannot "chain" to a summon. 2) If Book of Moon is activated in response to the summon, then yes, Torrential Tribute can be chained to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 What is the difference between chaining and responding?I mean really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 What is the difference between chaining and responding?I mean really...You're responding to the resolution of the summon, the summon has already succeeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 If Inzektor Exa-Beetle/Stag absorbs a Sangan or something, does it get the effect when it leaves the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 If Inzektor Exa-Beetle/Stag absorbs a Sangan or something, does it get the effect when it leaves the field? Noting how Jinzo - Returner works just fine, I'm inclined to say Sangan would work just fine as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 What is the difference between chaining and responding?I mean really...Chains have Chain Links. Responses do not. It makes all the difference.If Inzektor Exa-Beetle/Stag absorbs a Sangan or something, does it get the effect when it leaves the field?Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 What is the difference between chaining and responding?I mean really... When you say you want to chain something, that means you want to activate a card in response to another card that activated and started a chain. Ignition Effects, Trigger Effects, etc. I activate Book of Moon. Since it activates, it starts a chain and is Chain Link #1. My opponent wants to chain my Torrential Tribute to it, and make it Chain Link #2. I then wants to chain Seven Tools of the Bandit to that, and so on. Activations start chains and chains allow us to counter activations by responding to the initial activation of a card (Chain Link #1) with an activation of another card (Chain Link #2). Something like Torrential Tribute or Bottomless Trap Hole can be activated when a monster has been summoned. "A monster has been summoned" is not something a player activated or that is starting a chain; it is simply something that already happened within the game. You don't consider "A monster has been summoned" as Chain Link #1. Therefore, something like Torrential Tribute would not be Chain Link #2 here. You would simply activate it as Chain Link #1. You can only chain to something that starts a chain. If you're trying to activate something as Chain Link #1 (that is Spell Speed 2 or higher), many cases you can consider it to be in response to something if you're trying to use when something else just happened. He summoned a monster, so I respond with Book of Moon on that monster. Inzektor Centipede successfully equipped Inzektor Hornet. I respond with Mystical Space Typhoon to destroy Hornet before it has a chain to activate its effect. He completed Exodia. I flipped the table. and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 A lot of people say "chain" in general for a response, which is fine, but for the sake of rulings it is important to know the distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antist0opid Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I don't know if this has been answered already, but I don't care. If you activate the card "The Paths of Destiny" and both players life points are reduced to zero, does someone win or is it a draw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I don't know if this has been answered already, but I don't care. If you activate the card "The Paths of Destiny" and both players life points are reduced to zero, does someone win or is it a draw?Both flipping seems simultaneous so I'm putting my money on draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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