.Rai Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Somehow need to ask Snowman Eater vs Dolkka. Does Eater activate durin the Damage Step or no? Being a mandatory trigger effect as well as a flip effect, yes, it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Being a mandatory trigger effect as well as a flip effect, yes, it does.So can Dolka not negate it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 So can Dolka not negate it? It can, since Dolkka's effect is a Quick Effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 It can, since Dolkka's effect is a Quick Effect.But it's the Damage Step, is it not? I was under the impression that only ATK/DEF affecting effects and Spell Speed 3 Effects could be activated then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 But it's the Damage Step, is it not? I was under the impression that only ATK/DEF affecting effects and Spell Speed 3 Effects could be activated then. - Quick effects that alter ATK/DEF- Quick effects that negate the activation of cards and effects- Flip effects- Compulsory trigger effects amongst some others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 I went on an enormous analysis of Galaxy-Eyes on the DN forums and came to the conclusion it could NOT chain multiple times similar to how Formula Synchron cannot activate multiple times in the same chain, even though it's also a Quick Effect that removes itself from the Field during resolution, but otherwise has no limit on using its effect. My conclusion was it could not because you would be ensuring one of the previous activations would not resolve, comparing it to the idea of Ultimate Offering, which can activate multiple times in the same chain, but only if you currently have enough resources to play the number of monsters you're attempting to Summon. I did ask darkwolf afterwards and was told my logic was sound, with a confession that he was not positive. Then again, Konami has evidently ruled on Duality that if you negate an effect that Summons (with Veiler, etc), you still can't use Duality in the same turn. Actually, this ruling is more confusing than the one I had accepted as true. I don't see why it would be allowed to chain multiple times in the same chain. If the email had originally asked about Galaxy-Eyes vs LADD, I'm going to note that Galaxy-Eyes can theoretically use its effect multiple times within the same ATTACK if the effect was negated by LADD (since it can be used any time during the Battle Step, which is the period from Attack Declaration to Damage Step), but I'm skeptical about the same chain. Sadly, that source may not be "official", but that's how it's ruled unless a public ruling by an official source contradicts it. Maybe when WC12 comes out, unless that doesnt have Galaxy-Eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 I'll be glad to test it on TF6, which has PSHW, and report back when I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 I'll be glad to test it on TF6, which has PSHW, and report back when I'm done.Yes, please do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Tracks Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Would Stone Throw Area be able to protect Dummy Golem if it got attacked face-down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joex486 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Strange situation I encountered:I control Light and Darkness Dragon and Dupe Frog.LADD is destroyed, and its effect activates.I target Swap Frog, then destroy all cards I control, and special summon it.If I am correct, neither Swap nor Dupe misses the timing, because I believe that for LADD, the destruction and the special summon occur at the same time, but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Strange situation I encountered:I control Light and Darkness Dragon and Dupe Frog.LADD is destroyed, and its effect activates.I target Swap Frog, then destroy all cards I control, and special summon it.If I am correct, neither Swap nor Dupe misses the timing, because I believe that for LADD, the destruction and the special summon occur at the same time, but I'm not sure.LADD destroys and then Special Summons a monster. That's all one part of a chain. Then a new chain would start from Swap. Dupe misses the timing because the last thing to happen was a Special Summon, not its destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 I control Imperial Custom and 2 of any Continuous Trap Card.My opponent controls 3 set S/TCan I use Full House targetting my 2 Continuous Traps to destroy 3 of their cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 I control Imperial Custom and 2 of any Continuous Trap Card.My opponent controls 3 set S/TCan I use Full House targetting my 2 Continuous Traps to destroy 3 of their cards? The cards protected by Imperial Custom cannot be targeted for destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 All right, then what if I chained Custom to Full House? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Can Thought Ruler Archfiend protect itself frrom Hornet, since Konami thinks it's a Spell?And even if so, isn't it sad that it makes no difference whether Hornet is negated or not?Konami is ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Can Thought Ruler Archfiend protect itself frrom Hornet, since Konami thinks it's a Spell?And even if so, isn't it sad that it makes no difference whether Hornet is negated or not?Konami is ridiculousThought ruler archfiend can only negate the initial activation of a spell or trap card,not a spell or trap card effect,inzektor hornet activates as an equip spell card effect,so thought ruler cannot negate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Eh, it's ok. Stannon will work fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joex486 Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Because Light and Darkness Dragon negates the activation of an effect but does not destroy the card, could a player continuously use the effect of Gallis and force LADD to negate until it has no attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Because Light and Darkness Dragon negates the activation of an effect but does not destroy the card, could a player continuously use the effect of Gallis and force LADD to negate until it has no attack? Yes. A bunch of cards can loop their activations to dwindle down LADD, including Honest, Treeborn Frogs, Lightsworn mills, Lyla, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Yes. A bunch of cards can loop their activations to dwindle down LADD, including Honest, Treeborn Frogs, Lightsworn mills, Lyla, etc.Honest's cost is sending it though, is it not? Treeborn, Lightsworns, and cards that reveal themselves to do something can be reused because they're where they need to be to activate after being negated. Honest is a cost no? Costs aren't negated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 I meant the second effect: Returning from the Field to the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 I meant the second effect: Returning from the Field to the hand.Well, in that case, doesn't the effect stay negated until the End Phase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 No. LADD negates the activation of the card/effect for that single instance of its use. Many Monster Effects have costs, or are once per turn. But if they have no limit to the number of times it can be used, it may be activated again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 If I discard Cerburrel for Snipe Hunter in order to destroy Dolkka, how does that play out? Can Dolkka negate them both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 If I discard Cerburrel for Snipe Hunter in order to destroy Dolkka, how does that play out? Can Dolkka negate them both?Cerburrel starts another chain. Snipe Hunter discards.Dollka negates and destroys.Chain Ends. Cerburrel's effect activatesDollka negates and destroys.Chain Ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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