Expelsword Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I use Laval Forest Sprite and Lavalval Dragon to Synchro Summon Laval Stannon while I control Tech Genus Hyper Librarian. What happens? My guess is that Librarian happens first, being continuous, then Stannon discards, then Sprite ups his power, right? Also that Sprite's boost occurs when it is sent to the graveyard and is not modified if the number of Lavals in my graveyard changes during the turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I use Laval Forest Sprite and Lavalval Dragon to Synchro Summon Laval Stannon while I control Tech Genus Hyper Librarian. What happens? My guess is that Librarian happens first, being continuous, then Stannon discards, then Sprite ups his power, right? Also that Sprite's boost occurs when it is sent to the graveyard and is not modified if the number of Lavals in my graveyard changes during the turn? Librarian activates first, being continuous (so activates isn't the right word but yeah) so you draw. Then, Stannon and Sprite form a chain, both being mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Actually, Librarian is a mandatory Trigger Effect that only activates and resolves while faceup. The proper way to resolve the chain in the TCG is this: -Chain Link 1: Forest Sprite (it was triggered first by being sent to the Graveyard before the Synchro Summon was complete)-Chain Link 2: Your choice of Librarian or Stennon-Chain Link 3: The other Synchro In the OCG, you get to stack the three however you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 So, it is a legal move to Synchro Stannon, Draw for Librarian, Discard with Stannon, and then assess power for Sprite? Also, is Sprite a one time thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 So, it is a legal move to Synchro Stannon, Draw for Librarian, Discard with Stannon, and then assess power for Sprite? Also, is Sprite a one time thing? You resolve the chain in the sense that Librarian is the 3rd link, then yes. Sprite activates every time its effect meets the conditions, you can bring it back and re-use it as often as you want for its effect to work again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Yes, Sprite increases all Lavals currently on Field by an amount equal to the current number of Lavals in Grave when it resolves. No more/less ATK will be added later. You can do it that way, yes. Or you can discard, draw, access power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 If an opponent's monster is equipped with Nightmare wheel and is used for an Xyz summon, does Nightmare wheel leave. I got ruled that it doesn't leave at regionals but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 If an opponent's monster is equipped with Nightmare wheel and is used for an Xyz summon, does Nightmare wheel leave. I got ruled that it doesn't leave at regionals but I'm not sure. It should leave. The wording says that if the monster leaves the field, Nightmare Wheel is destroyed. Since an Xyz Material is not on the field, it should be considered as if the monster left the field, destroying Nightmare Wheel. I'm not entirely sure, I'm just trying to follow the logic based on the wording of the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 The logic the head judge used was that cards like Tengu which activate when they leave the field don't activate when used for Xyz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 The logic the head judge used was that cards like Tengu which activate when they leave the field don't activate when used for Xyz.Think of overlaying monsters as putting them into the deck. It's like removing them from the field but covering them up so their effects that activate upon leaving the field don't set off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 The logic the head judge used was that cards like Tengu which activate when they leave the field don't activate when used for Xyz. Tell the judge those are two different cases, then o: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 It should be the same logic as if the monster became an Equip Card. It didn't "technically" leave the Field, but it ceased to be a monster and vanished. Ruling: If the monster targeted by "Nightmare Wheel" becomes equipped to "Relinquished", then "Nightmare Wheel" is destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Rainbow Gravity can grab a monster from the Deck regardless of the Summoning Condition, meaning you can Special Summon Rainbow Dragon or Rainbow Dark Dragon without worrying about the conditions. Does that work the same way with the Graveyard (since the card says Deck or Graveyard) or does one in the Graveyard have to have been summoned properly first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Rainbow Gravity can grab a monster from the Deck regardless of the Summoning Condition, meaning you can Special Summon Rainbow Dragon or Rainbow Dark Dragon without worrying about the conditions. Does that work the same way with the Graveyard (since the card says Deck or Graveyard) or does one in the Graveyard have to have been summoned properly first? Works the same way. That's why it's worded like that, to override the rulings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 No. If Rainbow Dragon is in the Graveyard, it needs to have been Special Summoned properly to revive it, the same with Dark Flat Top + SKYFIRE, or Level Modulation and Armed Dragon LV7. You may ignore the Summoning Conditions from the hand or Deck if the card says to ignore them (Level Up!). But if it's the Graveyard or RFG, you must have Summoned it properly. It says to Ignore the Summoning Conditions because Rainbow Dragon is a Nomi, and can otherwise not be Summoned even if properly summoned first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Rainbow Gravity can grab a monster from the Deck regardless of the Summoning Condition, meaning you can Special Summon Rainbow Dragon or Rainbow Dark Dragon without worrying about the conditions. Does that work the same way with the Graveyard (since the card says Deck or Graveyard) or does one in the Graveyard have to have been summoned properly first? A monster in the Hand or Deck is not subject to the "Must be summoned properly first" under the logic that a monster that's in the Hand or Deck could not have been summoned yet unlike one that's in the Graveyard/Banished. A nomi/semi-nomi must have been Special Summoned properly first in order to be revived from the Graveyard or Banish, even when Ignoring the Summoning Conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 I thought as much. Kinda sucks. And if a Crystal Beast is Bottomless'd, can they choose to activate and move to the S/T? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 I thought as much. Kinda sucks. And if a Crystal Beast is Bottomless'd, can they choose to activate and move to the S/T? No. Bottomless destroys and banishes, denying the CB the option to crystallize "instead". This is different from Macro and D-Fissure, which only banish cards that actually would enter the Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 This must get asked a billion times, but...Duality is negated, may I use another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 This must get asked a billion times, but...Duality is negated, may I use another? If the activation is negated, you may. If only the effect is negated, you may not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 If the activation is negated, you may. If only the effect is negated, you may not. So, basically, Dark Bribe = yay and Spell Canceler = nay, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 So, basically, Dark Bribe = yay and Spell Canceler = nay, right? Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Direct Attack with Photon Streak Bouncer They attempt to activate Gorz, I chain with Streak's effect (assuming it works in DMG step, which I believe they ruled it can) Gorz doesn't get summoned than they take 1000 damage. Because they take the 1000 burn, can they than Special Summon Gorz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Direct Attack with Photon Streak Bouncer They attempt to activate Gorz, I chain with Streak's effect (assuming it works in DMG step, which I believe they ruled it can) Gorz doesn't get summoned than they take 1000 damage. Because they take the 1000 burn, can they than Special Summon Gorz? According to DN's wording, Photon Streak can only activate when a Monster Effect on your opponent's FIELD activates. If that is the case, it cannot negate Gorz. If DN is wrong, yes, you would be able to Summon Gorz after taking the burn, because Bouncer negates the activation, making the last thing to resolve the 1000 burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 It sucks when cards aren't out in the TCG so official rulings can't be made. Thanks though, I thought Gorz would be able to SS itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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