RAEGING D0GKING Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Rai-Oh attacks dragonfly and dragonfly summons dragonfly but raioh negates the summon, do I get dragonflys effect? Note this was pretty much if I get dragonfly effect I win if I dont I lose.Coz if dragonfly does get effect I get my last watt in my deck, protect myself from zenmaines attack and next turn reborn into Giraffe/Cobra,But if I dont get effect I get attacked directly by zenmaines for game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Rai-oh can't negate Wattdragonfly because it wasn't an inherent summon, it was summoned by an effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Rai-Oh attacks dragonfly and dragonfly summons dragonfly but raioh negates the summon, do I get dragonflys effect? So many things wrong with this. 1) If an Inzektor is destroyed by battle (or a card effect), it is sent to the Graveyard before the Equip it has leaves the Field. Inzektors have to be faceup in order for their effects to activate in the first place. 2) The equip left the Field because its target disappeared, thus making it no longer equipped. As such, Dragonfly wll not SS a monster. 3) Rai-oh cannot negate the Summon of a monster Summoned by the resolution of a card effect. Same as Solemn Judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 So many things wrong with this. 1) If an Inzektor is destroyed by battle (or a card effect), it is sent to the Graveyard before the Equip it has leaves the Field. Inzektors have to be faceup in order for their effects to activate in the first place. 2) The equip left the Field because its target disappeared, thus making it no longer equipped. As such, Dragonfly wll not SS a monster. 3) Rai-oh cannot negate the Summon of a monster Summoned by the resolution of a card effect. Same as Solemn Judgment. Wattdragonfly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I really meant in relation to the "activation" of Hornet when it is equipped. How is that not what I answered? "Hornet's destruction effect..." Edit: Didn't notice it was a two part question, though the first part was still answered, though turn the answer from "It doesn't" to "They don't", and it'll be right for the same reason, as you're activating the effect of an Equip Spell Card, not the activation of a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Can you declare Synchro or Xyz Monsters with Mind Crush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Can you declare Synchro or Xyz Monsters with Mind Crush? I...guess? You can declare any card so long as it's a real card. You can declare a Forbidden card. Though why bother naming a Synchro or Xyz, even if it is legal? You could just declare "Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End" or something they couldn't possibly have, if you want to deliberately get it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 If I destroy my own card that is an eligible for Falchion Beta's SS effect with Beta, and there are no targets in the grave yet, can I special summon the card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 If I destroy my own card that is an eligible for Falchion Beta's SS effect with Beta, and there are no targets in the grave yet, can I special summon the card? No. The "Gradius" cards all activate when they destroy in battle, but BEFORE sending to the Graveyard (as "and sends it to the Graveyard" is not part of its Trigger). As such, they get the effects even when they attack Tokens or if the cards would be banished instead. Therefore, the defeated monster is not sent to the Graveyard until after Falchion activates and resolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 If you "Safe Zone" an opponent's monster, it can't attack directly, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Um... It's kind of part of the effect, so I believe so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Wrong. Safe Zone does not prevent direct attacks from the opposing monsters, because the card says "and cannot attack YOUR OPPONENT directly". You're the controller of the card, so your opponent controls the monser that is attacking, and the monster that is attacking is not attacking YOUR opponent. There has been a lot of confusion on this card, and it was believed to stop opposing direct attacks for a long time, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Wrong. Safe Zone does not prevent direct attacks from the opposing monsters, because the card says "and cannot attack YOUR OPPONENT directly". You're the controller of the card, so your opponent controls the monser that is attacking, and the monster that is attacking is not attacking YOUR opponent. There has been a lot of confusion on this card, and it was believed to stop opposing direct attacks for a long time, though. Wow. I won duels at my locals last night I shouldn't have then. Oh well. Thanks for clearing that up. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 It's also one of the most annoying DN errors ever, although about half the cases, they're good-humored about it, particularly since I tend to open the explanation with something to the effect of "This is one of those cards that NO ONE knows how it works." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 The maintenance cost of monsters like the Koa'ki Meiru are not considered effects and are not negated by Skill Drain. Does THE TYRANT NEPTUNE copy those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 The maintenance cost of monsters like the Koa'ki Meiru are not considered effects and are not negated by Skill Drain. Does THE TYRANT NEPTUNE copy those? I think "no". Phantom of Chaos has the ruling that it will not copy Debris Dragon's Condition (that it can only be used for a Dragon-Type Synchro) as it is not an effect. Maintainence costs should be the same logic, as they are not considered Effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think "no". Phantom of Chaos has the ruling that it will not copy Debris Dragon's Condition (that it can only be used for a Dragon-Type Synchro) as it is not an effect. Maintainence costs should be the same logic, as they are not considered Effects.I'm lovin' it.*adds cards to deck being built* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 2 Questions about destruction negation and negation + Destruction:1.) If I have jade Knight, and my opponent uses solemn on a Gradius card, what Happens?2.) Can I use Morphtronic Forcefield on A solemn, and if so, what happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 2 Questions about destruction negation and negation + Destruction:1.) If I have jade Knight, and my opponent uses solemn on a Gradius card, what Happens?2.) Can I use Morphtronic Forcefield on A solemn, and if so, what happens?1. Solemn works, the monster isn't on the field yet. Exception is if you control Falchion, which I think means the effect is negated but it lives. Not sure, though.2. Also doesn't stop solemn because the monster isn't face-up, yet. That is, unless it's a face-up Morph's EFFECT, then the Solemn can be stopped, iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 2 Questions about destruction negation and negation + Destruction:1.) If I have jade Knight, and my opponent uses solemn on a Gradius card, what Happens?2.) Can I use Morphtronic Forcefield on A solemn, and if so, what happens? 1) The monster will have its Summon negated and it will be destroyed. This is because the monster is not faceup on the Field due to how Summon negation works. However, if you were using Warning on the effect of a Gradius monster, the effect will be negated, but it will not be destroyed. 2) Same thing. Wont do a thing if the Morphtronic's Summon is being negated, but if the effect of a Morph is being negated by Warning or similar, Forcefield can negate that card, so long as it explicitly states it will destroy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 1) The monster will have its Summon negated and it will be destroyed. This is because the monster is not faceup on the Field due to how Summon negation works. However, if you were using Warning on the effect of a Gradius monster, the effect will be negated, but it will not be destroyed. 2) Same thing. Wont do a thing if the Morphtronic's Summon is being negated, but if the effect of a Morph is being negated by Warning or similar, Forcefield can negate that card, so long as it explicitly states it will destroy.Yay, I was right =D I was really nervous I got them wrong for the effect causing an SS part xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 If you have White Dragon Ninja on the field, and you activate Safe Zone, and your opponent chains Dark Bribe, can they actually activate Bribe legally? Bribe's effect (and Solemn's, for that matter) do say "destroy", but Ninja prevents your Spell and Trap Cards from being destroyed. So what's the ruling there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Bribe won't destroy Safe Zone, but it will negate it. Not sure on the draw part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Bribe won't destroy Safe Zone, but it will negate it. Not sure on the draw part. So how does it work against D-Prison? Would D-Prison just fizzle because technically it wouldn't be destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 So how does it work against D-Prison? Would D-Prison just fizzle because technically it wouldn't be destroyed? D-Prison's effect fizzles, and after it failed to resolve properly, it'll be sent to the graveyard as a state-based action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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