evilfusion Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Will "The Fabled Unicore" negate the "Fiendish Chain" (when it's 1st activated) when both players have the same number of cards in hand? (I will say not, because Chain doesn't have effect that "activates") When a Spell or Trap is played faceup in the Spell or Trap Card Zone, either from the hand or while Set, the card has been "activated". As such, Unicore will negate Fiendish Chain's effect when it starts to resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 What is the logic behind Tengu not activating when a monster is overlayed with it? That isn't considered on the field so this should be removing Tengu from the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 What is the logic behind Tengu not activating when a monster is overlayed with it? That isn't considered on the field so this should be removing Tengu from the field. But where is Tengu when you Overlay it? It's not in any of the places where an Effect Monster's effect can normally be activated (Hand, Field, Grave, RFG Zone, Extra Deck). When a monster becomes Xyz Material, similar to when a monster becomes an Equip card, its effects are disregarded unless it specifically has an effect to apply to that scenario. Even Gagaga Girl doesn't have an effect while Xyz Material. Instead, Gagaga Girl gives the Xyz an effect. So really, the reason Tengu doesn't activate when turned into an Xyz Material is because its effects cease to apply while it's Xyz Material, and when it's detached, it wasn't considered sent from the Field. Darkwolf might have a clearer explanation, but I think I got the gist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Okay so in the overlay network or whatever is basically like the deck and things dont have effects there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Okay so in the overlay network or whatever is basically like the deck and things dont have effects there. Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 What is the logic behind Tengu not activating when a monster is overlayed with it? That isn't considered on the field so this should be removing Tengu from the field. Once a monster becomes an Xyz Material Monster, it has no effects. It became a "Material" and nothing more. As its ruled, Xyz Materials are NOT on the field, so obviously the cards would have "left the field" in some way. It is also ruled that effects like Plaguespreader Zombie and the like are NOT banished when becoming overlaid. This leads to the assumption that when a monster becomes an Xyz Material Monster, they first lose their effects and become a Material BEFORE they leave the field and become overlaid. In any case, Tengu will not get its effect because it doesn't have one while overlaid. Nothing does unless otherwise stated, similar to when a monster becomes an Equip Spell Card (as surely there will be effects that state "While this card is overlaid, do this..." in the future). I may be wrong on the specifics of it, but that's how I see it at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 So yeah, what I said seems accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Am I correct in saying that Roach cannot negate Ninjutsu Art of Super Transformation because the in-Deck target has a variable level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Am I correct in saying that Roach cannot negate Ninjutsu Art of Super Transformation because the monster Summoned has a variable level? Because Roach can't negate the Special Summon of a monster via a card effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Because Roach can't negate the Special Summon of a monster via a card effect. This. Remember that the timing for Summon negation is before the monster is on the Field. Cards cannot interrupt another effect's resolution, so when a card effect resolves and Summons a monster, cards like Rai-Oh and Solemn Judgment cannot respond. And by the time a new chain is available, the monster has been successfully Special Summoned and cannot have its Summon negated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Huh. Upon re-reading it, I thought it could negate card effects that Special Summon as well. Thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 If I activate Amazoness Shamanism, would Amazon Village go off or miss timing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 If I activate Amazoness Shamanism, would Amazon Village go off or miss timing? It'll miss timing. The last thing to resolve is SSing from the Graveyard, not an Amazoness dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 It'll miss timing. The last thing to resolve is SSing from the Graveyard, not an Amazoness dying. Shamanism is terrible and pointless then -__- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 If Clear Vice Dragon (or any other ? ATK monster who doesn't gain it's ATK immediately) is summoned and there is a face-up Black Garden on the field, what exactly happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 If Clear Vice Dragon (or any other ? ATK monster who doesn't gain it's ATK immediately) is summoned and there is a face-up Black Garden on the field, what exactly happens? Since Clear Vice's effect does not influence its ATK at the time of Summoning, it's ATK is 0 (due to having an original value of ?), and Black Garden "halves" it and Summons the Rose Token. When Clear Vice attacks, its ATK will be switched to double the monster it battles as it normally does. Black Garden only halves the current ATK at Summon. Any boosts or modifications it receives independent of the scenario at Summon are applied normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Have Abs0Use Mask ChangeGet Acid Which effect activates first, and can Stardust only chain to 1 of them? If so, which one? 8'D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Have Abs0Use Mask ChangeGet Acid Which effect activates first, and can Stardust only chain to 1 of them? If so, which one? 8'D You have 2 mandatory Trigger Effects activating at the same timing. They would form Links 1 and 2 on the chain before anything from the opponent can respond (due to SEGOC rules). Absolute Zero was Triggered first, so it would be Chain Link 1. Acid would activate as Chain Link 2. Stardust can respond to Acid's effect as Chain Link 3, but not Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 F*CK I was hoping it'd be the other way around xD Still, being able to force at least the clearing of monsters is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgrug4 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Wind up factory, wind-up shark, wind up magician Magician gets S. summoned by another magician.Triggers wind-up factoryadd wind up shark to hand. Does shark miss timing with its eff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Wind up factory, wind-up shark, wind up magician Magician gets S. summoned by another magician.Triggers wind-up factoryadd wind up shark to hand. Does shark miss timing with its eff? In that particular example? Yes. Wind-Up Magician would activate and SS another Magician when it resolves. Wind-Up Factory would activate on a new chain as Link 1, and add Shark. The last thing to resolve was Shark being added, not a Wind-Up being Summoned, so you cannot Summon Shark at that timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Wind up factory, wind-up shark, wind up magician Magician gets S. summoned by another magician.Triggers wind-up factoryadd wind up shark to hand. Does shark miss timing with its eff? Technically, Shark was not in the hand at the time that both Magicians were Special Summoned, so you cannot Special Summon Shark after adding it to the hand via Factory. It's not a case of missing the timing, just more the order of how things work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 What effects of the Ritual Djinns can be negated by what cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 What effects of the Ritual Djinns can be negated by what cards?Honestly can't think of anything. All the Ritual Djinns have continuous effects, and since the continuous effects apply in the Graveyard, there's really nothing that stops them. And they never activate at all, so cards like Divine Wrath and Quasar can't negate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Revived King Ha Des negates them if it destroy a Djinn by battle, if I'm not mistaken. Same applies for every card that works like Revived King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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