evilfusion Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Ah, my mistake. Probably should have researched the cards a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Other things to note: If two "Dark Ruler Ha Des" or "Revived King Ha Des" battles each other and destroy each other, they will not negate each other, though this isn't exactly the same situation, as any other two fiends who battle each other and destroy each other will BOTH be negated. The Ha Des' Continuous Effects would stop applying as soon as they're destroyed by battle o.x When two Koa'ki Meiru Powerhand who are both treated as Light/Dark battle each other, the turn player's Koa'ki Meiru Powerhand was the only one who was negated (in WC11). I'm not sure if truly continuous effects like this one go on its own "psuedo-chain", meaning Turn Player's is quietly Psuedo-Chain Link #1 and the Opponent's is Psuedo-Chain Link #2, which is why the turn player's Koa'ki Meiru Powerhand is negated, but I have no insight as to any other possible reasoning. I generally thought Continuous Effects were applied this way before, so it may still be true, but I don't have much to go on. It may just be how the games handle it. Since I wont let what i was typing go to waste due to a closed topic~: There are some ideas I have for using this card, but I don't know if they're accurate moves or not. Yugioh Wikia was no help, and gave no solid answers, so I want to know if you guys think these work or not. (I want to trigger Peten's effect with the cards I'm using) Peten + Wonder Wand: Misses the timing, last effect to resolve is Wonder Wand drawing 2 cards. Peten + Hand Destruction: Misses the timing. Despite its wording, it is impossible to both "Discard from Hand" and "Draw" simultaneously. Discarding will happen first, then Drawing, so the last thing to happen will be Drawing only. Peten + Dark World Dealings: This is acceptable as the last thing to occur is discarding. Peten discarded due to 7+ cards in the hand: This is acceptable as all cards discarded during the End Phase for having too many cards are done at the same time. Peten Detached or xyz monster destroyed w/ Peten attached: Depends. If you activated an effect which used an Xyz Material as a cost, then it would miss the timing as discarding is the last thing to occur. If it were a Continuous Effect, such as Gachi or Zenmaines, then the last effect to have resolved must have been the destruction effect. If any other effects resolve inbetween that sentence, then you will miss the timing. If the Xyz is destroyed by battle and its materials went to the Graveyard, then it will activate then. Peten destroyed due to Dark Hole, Torrential Tribute, or any other spell or trap cards that destroy monster(s): This is fine as all monsters are destroyed simultaneously (again, so long as said card is Chain Link 1 is this scenario, making the destruction of Peten the last thing to occur). Stardust nuke with Peten on the field: Stardust doesn't nuke :o If you mean Black Rose Dragon, then sure, as with Dark Hole, all destruction happens simultaneously. The "Missing the Timing" concept hasn't changed at all, so as long as you understand how it works, then it shouldn't be an issue to answer in any situation. In every situation you mentioned, the effect is indeed triggered. The issue is, do you have the right to activate it at the time it was triggered? You can never activate card effects while chains or effects are resolving, so if there's every a chain that needs to finish resolving or an effect that hasn't completely resolved, then you cannot. Trigger Effects are Spell Speed 1 as well, so they may not be chained to other effects (except other Trigger Effects in a SEGOC event). Therefore, if you activate an Xyz and it removes Peten as the material, Peten will not go to Chain Link #2, as the Spell Speed 1 will not let it. This means Peten will miss the timing because it cannot activate at the timing it was triggered. With Hand Destruction, you discard first. You can't activate Peten at the time it was discarded because you stll have to finish resolving Hand Destruction so you must draw first. Peten misses the timing here. If Torrential Tribute was Chain Link #2 and destroyed Peten, you cannot activate Peten because you still have to resolve whatever Chain Link #1 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joex486 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 If Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon uses its effect to banish a monster that you own but your opponent controls (with Creature Swap or a similar card), does the banished monster return to your opponent's side of the field, or yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 If Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon uses its effect to banish a monster that you own but your opponent controls (with Creature Swap or a similar card), does the banished monster return to your opponent's side of the field, or yours? The "permanent" controller of the monster gets control when it returns. If it was swapped with Creature Swap (control is permanently switched) or revived with Monster Reborn, etc, your opponent gets it. If it was swapped with a temporary effect, it'll return to your field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 D Fissure on field.Xyz summon Leviair.There are banished monsters, so detach.Brings me to 2 things:1. Does Xyz material get banished?2. if so, can I SS it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joex486 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Is "permanent" control defined as control that is not sustained by a card effect? For example, Creature Swap would be permanent, but Shien's Spy would not, and Monster Reborn would be permanent, but Autonomous Action Unit would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 D Fissure on field.Xyz summon Leviair.There are banished monsters, so detach.Brings me to 2 things:1. Does Xyz material get banished?2. if so, can I SS it? 1) No. Xyz Material are not monsters. They do not get banished when detached. Macro Cosmos will banish them, though.2) If it is Macro instead, you can target the detached monster if it is of the appropriate Level, similar to how Zombie Master can revive the discarded Zombie. However, you must have a valid target banished if you use this combo. Is "permanent" control defined as control that is not sustained by a card effect? For example, Creature Swap would be permanent, but Shien's Spy would not, and Monster Reborn would be permanent, but Autonomous Action Unit would not. Pretty much. I checked Autonomous' ruling just to be sure, and it gives the monster to the original owner if the monster is temporarily banished, so Galaxy-Eyes would also return the monster to the owner, not the player who controlled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Bazoo the soul eater with dark desertapir Can you explain that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Bazoo the soul eater with dark desertapir Can you explain that? Bazoo's banishing is a cost. Dark Desertapir misses the timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Damn -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Does Daigusto Sphreeze's redirected damage count as battle damage? I know Yubel is a no, but it seems to work differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Does Daigusto Sphreeze's redirected damage count as battle damage? I know Yubel is a no, but it seems to work differently. Yes. Like Amazoness Swords Woman and Dimension Wall, it is Battle Damage and is considered to have been inflicted by the opposing monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zowayix Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 With Gravekeeper's Servant, Convulsions of Nature, and Dimensional Fissure all face-up on the opponent's side of the field, why am I not allowed to declare an attack if I know the top card of my Deck is a Spell/Trap Card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Well according to the OCG ruling I believe you can, but since TCG has no official ruling I guess it has just become common practice to not attack. Not really sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 With Gravekeeper's Servant, Convulsions of Nature, and Dimensional Fissure all face-up on the opponent's side of the field, why am I not allowed to declare an attack if I know the top card of my Deck is a Spell/Trap Card? The contents of the deck are not public information for either player, so it is not possible for you to know the contents of what's on the top of the deck in any situation. This includes via Convulsion of Nature, or even when you put a non-Monster card to the top of the deck with the effect of Big Eye. Just because you happen to know what's on the top of the deck does not change whether the deck is public or private to the game state itself. All Convulsion of Nature does is flip the deck upside down. The game doesn't understand that "an upside down deck reveals cards". We humans understand that it does, but the game itself doesn't, so just because you can see it, the game itself doesn't think anything different about the situation as if the deck were in its normal position. Well according to the OCG ruling I believe you can, but since TCG has no official ruling I guess it has just become common practice to not attack. Not really sure. The same rule is applied in the OCG. You cannot attack, even with Convulsion of Nature on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 2 questions. If I have 3 Ground Collapse, Jinzo, Amplifier, Dna Surgery, and Endemyion on the field, is that game or do I just wait for a possible Exodia or deck out? If Weather Report destroys my opponent's Sorl and I took their monster Lava Golem, equipped it with Twin Swords Of Flashing Light- Tryce. Can I attack directly 4 times since the battle phases are separate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I need some reassurance on this, as I was watching a guy on DN wants a wiki ruling but there is none. Vylon Cube is used for lets say Epsilon, it gets Warning'd...to search or not to search? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 2 questions. If I have 3 Ground Collapse, Jinzo, Amplifier, Dna Surgery, and Endemyion on the field, is that game or do I just wait for a possible Exodia or deck out? If Weather Report destroys my opponent's Sorl and I took their monster Lava Golem, equipped it with Twin Swords Of Flashing Light- Tryce. Can I attack directly 4 times since the battle phases are separate? 1) I have no idea what the purpose of DNA Surgery and Endymion in that combo are. For that matter, they can still use Spells Cards and can negate Jinzo with Effect Veiler and spring a Trap Card. There is no 100% absolute perfect lockdown. If there is, there's still some way around it, even though you're almost definitely going to win. 2) Yes. It can attack twice in one Battle Phase and then twice again in the 2nd Battle Phase. I need some reassurance on this, as I was watching a guy on DN wants a wiki ruling but there is none. Vylon Cube is used for lets say Epsilon, it gets Warning'd...to search or not to search? If the Synchro Summon is negated, effects that activate when used as a Synchro Material do not activate (Doppelwarrior, Synchro Fusionist, etc). No search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Just as I thought, tyvm. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 No problem. It bugged me forever in regards to Doppelwarrior, as there was no ruling to either confirm or deny, but I always suspected it wouldn't activate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Does Skill Drain negate Battle Fader's "end the Battle Phase" part of the effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Does Skill Drain negate Battle Fader's "end the Battle Phase" part of the effect? Its effect which Special Summons it and the effect which ends the Battle Phase are resolved as the same effect. So unless the summon itself is negated before it hits the field, the Battle Phase is still ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Does Skill Drain negate Battle Fader's "end the Battle Phase" part of the effect? No, it doesn't. Battle Fader's effect activates and resolves in the hand. Special Summoning and ending the Battle Fader are resolved in the same effect (but not simultaneously). Skill Drain won't be able to negate it, even though it comes onto the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Thanks. I'm gonna assume you can't do this, but, if you have a Grapha in the Graveyard, and you Summon Snoww, and the opponent chains Bottomless Trap Hole, can you call priority on Grapha from the Graveyard and bounce the Snoww back to your hand to Summon Grapha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Thanks. I'm gonna assume you can't do this, but, if you have a Grapha in the Graveyard, and you Summon Snoww, and the opponent chains Bottomless Trap Hole, can you call priority on Grapha from the Graveyard and bounce the Snoww back to your hand to Summon Grapha? No. First of which, Grapha doesn't start a chain (it's not an Ignition Effect), so Priority means nothing in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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