Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Agro]

Like Gagaga Girl?

No, Gagaga Girl's effect activates when USED for the summon, where as I mean that it'd be able to use its effects whilst attached.

Why not? It's like monsters being treated as Spell/Trap Cards, they have no effect unless they specify they do while in the Spell/Trap zone.

I figured it'd be like that. Actually, I figured it'd be more like the summoning capabilities of the charmers. My main confusion in the idea is that the cards are technically not on the field, technically, they're nowhere, so I just thought maybe there'd need to be another rule in place for that to work (I'm trying to use the idea in a set of CC)

[evilfusion]

Well, there's no existing card with that type of effect, with Gagaga Girl coming the closest.

 

There wouldn't really be any reason why the effect can't exist, though. "If this card is attached to an Xyz Monster as Xyz Material, (any further condition): ..."

[Airride]

If Blizzard Dragon leaves the field, does it's effect leave?

[evilfusion]

No. Blizzard Dragon's effect is not tied to itself, but the affected monster.

[Airride]

Alright than.

[Synchronized]

If "Elemental Hero Absolute Zero" is on the field, and destroyed by "Smashing Ground", while my opponent controls "Sangan" and "Naturia Cliff", does "Naturia Cliff" miss the timing because Sangan's effect is mandatory and has to activate?

[evilfusion]

If "Elemental Hero Absolute Zero" is on the field, and destroyed by "Smashing Ground", while my opponent controls "Sangan" and "Naturia Cliff", does "Naturia Cliff" miss the timing because Sangan's effect is mandatory and has to activate?

 

No. While Trigger Effects cannot chain to other cards, if two (or more) Trigger Effects have the same timing, they can activate together on the same chain. Both Sangan and Cliff are Trigger Effects that activate when they're sent to the Graveyard. Sangan being mandatory will just make it Chain Link 1, and Cliff can activate as Chain Link 2.

[Synchronized]

No. While Trigger Effects cannot chain to other cards, if two (or more) Trigger Effects have the same timing, they can activate together on the same chain. Both Sangan and Cliff are Trigger Effects that activate when they're sent to the Graveyard. Sangan being mandatory will just make it Chain Link 1, and Cliff can activate as Chain Link 2.

 

Okay, so two more questions then:

 

If I Summon "Elemental Hero Nova Master" with Future Fusion, opponent chains "Bottomless Trap Hole", so I chain "Super Polymerization", using my Nova Master and my opponent's "Naturia Cliff" to bring out Elemental HERO Gaia, which then is destroyed with another "Bottomless Trap Hole", does Cliff still activate?

 

And if you Tribute "Naturia Cliff" to Summon "Raiza the Storm Monarch", and Raiza's effect activates, does Cliff still get his effect?

 

The missing the timing thing confuses me so much.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

Okay, so two more questions then:

 

If I Summon "Elemental Hero Nova Master" with Future Fusion, opponent chains "Bottomless Trap Hole", so I chain "Super Polymerization", using my Nova Master and my opponent's "Naturia Cliff" to bring out Elemental HERO Gaia, which then is destroyed with another "Bottomless Trap Hole", does Cliff still activate?

 

And if you Tribute "Naturia Cliff" to Summon "Raiza the Storm Monarch", and Raiza's effect activates, does Cliff still get his effect?

 

The missing the timing thing confuses me so much.

In both cases it misses timing because it leaves the field, then another monster comes out before the current chain ends. Those monsters' effects have nothing to do with it.

[evilfusion]

Okay, so two more questions then:

 

If I Summon "Elemental Hero Nova Master" with Future Fusion, opponent chains "Bottomless Trap Hole", so I chain "Super Polymerization", using my Nova Master and my opponent's "Naturia Cliff" to bring out Elemental HERO Gaia, which then is destroyed with another "Bottomless Trap Hole", does Cliff still activate?

 

And if you Tribute "Naturia Cliff" to Summon "Raiza the Storm Monarch", and Raiza's effect activates, does Cliff still get his effect?

 

The missing the timing thing confuses me so much.

 

1) No, it misses the timing.

 

2) No, it misses the timing.

 

I'll break it down for you.

 

In the first example, Nova Master is SSed. Opponent activates Bottomless, and you chain with Super Polymerization. Super Poly can't be chained to, so nothing is added to this chain. Chains resolves backwards, so

 

Chain Link 2: Super Polymerization sends Nova and Cliff, SSes Gaia.

Chain Link 1: The monster Bottomless Trap Hole was used against is no longer faceup on the field. It resolves with no effect.

 

Now that the chain has resolved, any mandatory effects triggered during the last chain activate at this time, but there are none. Cliff's optional Trigger Effect missed the timing because the last thing in the Duel was not it being sent to the Graveyard, but rather, the effect of Bottomless Trap Hole.

 

However, your opponent cannot use the effect of Bottomless Trap Hole at this time because the last thing to resolve was NOT Gaia being Summoned, but the first Bottomless Trap Hole. Similarly, Gaia cannot activate its effect either, because it ALSO missed the timing.

 

In the second example, the last thing to occur was NOT Cliff being sent to the Graveyard, but a monster being Tribute Summoned. Therefore Cliff's timing is incorrect.

 

Missing the timing means that an optional Trigger Effect's timing window got passed over in the course of another card resolving at that time. For Trigger Effects to successfully activate, the last thing to occur or resolve must be its Trigger (but not necessarily the last thing to ACTIVATE. This distinction is important).

 

Trigger Effects that miss the timing are the ones that say "When...(Trigger)...you can...(Effect)..."

[-Berserker-]

The destroy and burn of Exploderwing Dragon occur at the same time, and I won using Gorz illegally, right?

[evilfusion]

The destroy and burn of Exploderwing Dragon occur at the same time, and I won using Gorz illegally, right?

 

I was stumped on this one for a bit, but came this conclusion:

 

Gorz would be a legal activation. The last thing to resolve in the chain was a monster being destroyed/Burn Damage (since they happen simultaneously). Trigger Effects or other cards can activate to either event (Meklord Emperors, Gorz, etc).

 

The part that stumped me at first was that Exploder Dragonwing activates in the Damage Step. However, Gorz is worded that it can be activated when you take damage, and then activates a secondary effect based on the type of damage. Since it can activate when you take Battle Damage, which is only possible during the Damage Step, and the original Trigger does not specify, that implies to me that Gorz can activate during the Damage Step regardless of what type of Damage you took.

 

So Gorz should be legal, as far as I can tell.

[-Berserker-]

I was stumped on this one for a bit, but came this conclusion:

 

Gorz would be a legal activation. The last thing to resolve in the chain was a monster being destroyed/Burn Damage (since they happen simultaneously). Trigger Effects or other cards can activate to either event (Meklord Emperors, Gorz, etc).

 

The part that stumped me at first was that Exploder Dragonwing activates in the Damage Step. However, Gorz is worded that it can be activated when you take damage, and then activates a secondary effect based on the type of damage. Since it can activate when you take Battle Damage, which is only possible during the Damage Step, and the original Trigger does not specify, that implies to me that Gorz can activate during the Damage Step regardless of what type of Damage you took.

 

So Gorz should be legal, as far as I can tell.

Thanks. Now I don't feel guilty anymore, except because the burn was not enough to win; but I suppose my opponent should take account of his LP too...

 

Warrior of Atlantis can add A Legendary Ocean to the hand, but A Legendary Ocean's name is Umi. So, if they release a fusion monster that lists Harpie Lady as one of it's fusion materials, could I use Future Fusion or E-HERO Prisma? And what if the fusion monster lists Cyber Harpie Lady?

[evilfusion]

Warrior of Atlantis is kind of a goof card, considering that A Legendary Ocean is treated as Umi for everything, including Deck Construction.

 

So yeah, you could use Future Fusion or Prisma on a Fusion monster requiring "Harpie Lady" using any of the Harpie Lady cards, be it the Cyber Harpie, the 1, 2, or 3, or the original, since they all count as Harpie Lady for everything.

 

I suppose TECHNICALLY, using Warrior of Atlantis as a basis, you could have it specify Cyber Harpie Lady, but you really shouldn't, due to how Harpie Lady and ALO are the only cards with that type of Deck Building ruling. All later "This card is treated as Card X" effects specified WHERE they were treated as such.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

So, this is purely a hypothetical here, but I needed some clarification on something.

 

If a monster's ATK is reduced to 0 (until the End Phase) but has an effect like "Chaos King Archfiend", which switches the ATK and DEF of all monsters on the field (except this is an Ignition Effect, and is also permanent), does the monster's DEF increase back to it's original value, since it was considered it's original ATK?

[evilfusion]

So, this is purely a hypothetical here, but I needed some clarification on something.

 

If a monster's ATK is reduced to 0 (until the End Phase) but has an effect like "Chaos King Archfiend", which switches the ATK and DEF of all monsters on the field (except this is an Ignition Effect, and is also permanent), does the monster's DEF increase back to it's original value, since it was considered it's original ATK?

 

It depends on how the effects are worded.

 

If a card temporarily changes the current ATK to 0, and the current ATK/DEF are switched permanently, the DEF will be 0 and the ATK will be whatever the DEF was. When the first effect wears off, the (currently 0) DEF will be restored.

[Zeal Ascendant]

Say your opponent has out a special summoned monster with 3000 attack, which attacks your facedown pachycephalo. When pachy's effect kills the attacker, does the attack still go through? I think it doesn't, because I saw somewhere that pseudo flip effects are faster than regular ones. Just wondering. And the same thing applies for using sazank's effect to destroy the attacking monster, right?

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

Okay, thanks evilfusion.

[evilfusion]

Say your opponent has out a special summoned monster with 3000 attack, which attacks your facedown pachycephalo. When pachy's effect kills the attacker, does the attack still go through? I think it doesn't, because I saw somewhere that pseudo flip effects are faster than regular ones. Just wondering. And the same thing applies for using sazank's effect to destroy the attacking monster, right?

 

All effects that activate when a monster is flipped up (Flip Effects, Pseudo Flips, etc) activate after Damage Calculation, but before a monster destroyed by battle is sent to the Graveyard.

 

So the attack still went through and Damage Calculation/Piercing Damage is inflicted, and a monster is determined whether it has been destroyed by battle, activating any Triggers that dont rely on "sending to the Graveyard" (Nova Master, etc). Then, but before the monster is sent to the Graveyard, the Flip or Pseudo-Flip activates.

[Zeal Ascendant]

All effects that activate when a monster is flipped up (Flip Effects, Pseudo Flips, etc) activate after Damage Calculation, but before a monster destroyed by battle is sent to the Graveyard.

 

So the attack still went through and Damage Calculation/Piercing Damage is inflicted, and a monster is determined whether it has been destroyed by battle, activating any Triggers that dont rely on "sending to the Graveyard" (Nova Master, etc). Then, but before the monster is sent to the Graveyard, the Flip or Pseudo-Flip activates.

 

Ah, ok. Thanks. Could've sworn I saw somewhere that pseudo flip activates before damage calc... but I guess I'm wrong :P

[Shradow]

All effects that activate when a monster is flipped up (Flip Effects, Pseudo Flips, etc) activate after Damage Calculation, but before a monster destroyed by battle is sent to the Graveyard.

 

Does that mean monsters like Ancient Gear Beast don't negate Flip Effects? I had always heard that Flips activate after the monster is destroyed.

[evilfusion]

Only if they specifically say they do, like Blast Sphere.

 

Does that mean monsters like Ancient Gear Beast don't negate Flip Effects? I had always heard that Flips activate after the monster is destroyed.

 

Beast still negates Flip Effects, because Beast's requirement is to destroy it by battle, but not also "and send it to the Graveyard". Because of this, Beast and other Ha Des negation effects apply immediately after destroying by battle.

 

I'll run it by again.

 

-A monster flips up once both players agree to move to the Damage Step. At this time, they get their chance to activate cards specific to the Damage Step, then move to Damage Calculation.

 

-ATK/DEF is compared, and a monster is determined to be destroyed by battle and Damage is inflicted, if applicable.

 

-Triggers that apply when a monster is destroyed in battle (But NOT those that also say "and send to the Graveyard") apply.

 

-Flip Effects and Pseudo Flips activate. At this timing, the monster is still considered on the field, but cannot be targeted by those effects.

 

-Destroyed monster is sent to the Graveyard. Triggers that DO include being sent to the Graveyard apply.

 

So a monster battling Ancient Gear Beast has been considered destroyed by Beast in battle when it's Flip would activate, and its effect(s) are negated.

[SarcastiXDevil]

Say that I control a face-down Trap Stun. Then I fusion summoned Chimeratech Overdragon. Overdragon's effect requires me to send all other cards I controls to the Graveyard, can I chain Trap Stun to that effect?

[This Account is Unplayable]

Say that I control a face-down Trap Stun. Then I fusion summoned Chimeratech Overdragon. Overdragon's effect requires me to send all other cards I controls to the Graveyard, can I chain Trap Stun to that effect?

 

Overdragon is Spell Speed 1, any Spell Speed 2 or higher can be chained to it, so yes, you can activae Trap Stun (or any Trap with the correct timing) in response to Overdragon's effect.

[evilfusion]

Yes, the effect to send all other cards is a Trigger Effect. You can chain other cards to it.