Northern Sage Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Does "Return to the field" count as Special Summoning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Does "Return to the field" count as Special Summoning?No, it does not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Does "Return to the field" count as Special Summoning? No. The card needs to specifically say it's a Special Summon for it to be a Special Summon. Damn Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Ah, okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I special summon tg striker from my hand with it's effect, and special summon warwolf with it's effect after striker wa special summoned, can I summon a second warwolf from my hand? Warwolf is a level 3, so I don't see why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Yes, you can. While you cannot activate 2 Warwolf to one Special Summon, you can activate Warwolf to the SS of a Warwolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Can you Skill Drain Mystical Beast of Serket to negate it's nuke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Yes, but it kind of defeats the point of using Mystical Beast Serket over something like Summoned Skull. Serket is one of those cards that would be cool if it didn't rely on another card that happens to be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Can I have a different Sleeve for a card residing in my extra deck than the other cards in the extra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Miracle Synchro Fusion...I suppose I cannot use it with any monster with semi-generic Fusion monster if I have a potential material that happens to be a Synchro (like using Dark Strike Fighter and Cyber Dragon to summon Chimeratech Overdragon); but what about other cases? Example:Dragon Knight Draco-Equites asks for 1 Synchro and a random monster of an specific type. The card says "Fusion Material Monsters listed on a Fusion Monster Card that lists a Synchro Monster as a Fusion Material Monster". The Fusion monster doesn't list any name for it's materials, just that one of them is a synchro, but I suppose it works with this card, as most of the other Synchro Fusions ask for something similar.But then we have Naturia Exterio, who doesn't say "1 synchro monster", but says the name of 2 specific monsters that just so happen to be synchros. Based in the previous, some would say it cannot be summoned by the card in question. And if it can summon it, could it still summon it if we used non-synchro monsters with the effect "this card's name in the field and graveyard is treated as Naturia Beast/Barkion"? Why would it be possible to do so but not the first example (DSF+Cyber Dragon)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Miracle Synchro Fusion...I suppose I cannot use it with any monster with semi-generic Fusion monster if I have a potential material that happens to be a Synchro (like using Dark Strike Fighter and Cyber Dragon to summon Chimeratech Overdragon); but what about other cases? Example:Dragon Knight Draco-Equites asks for 1 Synchro and a random monster of an specific type. The card says "Fusion Material Monsters listed on a Fusion Monster Card that lists a Synchro Monster as a Fusion Material Monster". The Fusion monster doesn't list any name for it's materials, just that one of them is a synchro, but I suppose it works with this card, as most of the other Synchro Fusions ask for something similar.But then we have Naturia Exterio, who doesn't say "1 synchro monster", but says the name of 2 specific monsters that just so happen to be synchros. Based in the previous, some would say it cannot be summoned by the card in question. And if it can summon it, could it still summon it if we used non-synchro monsters with the effect "this card's name in the field and graveyard is treated as Naturia Beast/Barkion"? Why would it be possible to do so but not the first example (DSF+Cyber Dragon)? Miracle Synchro Fusion only works on Fusions that SPECIFICALLY state they require a Synchro as Material. Draco-equites states it needs a Dragon Synchro. Miracle Synchro can't SS Five-Headed or Chimeratech Overdragon because they don't require Synchros as Materials, even if you can use one. Miracle Synchro Fusion can also bring out Naturia Exterio, because while both of its Materials are specifically named, they're both Synchros. However, because the Materials are specifically named without specifying "Synchro", you can use non-Synchros with those names (Phantom of Chaos, etc) as Material with Poly or Miracle Synchro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'm not sure how Black Horn of Heaven works. Some people tell me it can only destroy monsters that were special summoned by it's effect. Some say it can destroy any Special Summon. So which is correct? [spoiler=[color=red]BHoH][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'm not sure how Black Horn of Heaven works. Some people tell me it can only destroy monsters that were special summoned by it's effect. Some say it can destroy any Special Summon. So which is correct? Black Horn of Heaven, as it states, can negate the "Special Summon of a Monster". Note that this is the only thing it can negate. First thing to know is that when cards are resolving, you cannot activate another cards effect until all cards in the chain have resolved completely. Nexdt, The time to negate a monster's summon is always immediately before that monster is successfully summoned. To take a card like Monster Reborn, it is a Spell Card which starts a chain to Special Summon a monster. When a player activates Monster Reborn, you cannot chain Black Horn of Heaven, because Monster Reborn is not a Special Summon. It is a Spell Card. Next, during the resolution of Monster Reborn, it attempts to Special Summon whatever monster it is going to summon. You cannot activate Black Horn of Heaven in this case either because Monster Reborn is resolving and as mentioned, you cannot activate a new card effect while a chain is resolving. Therefore, in the end, Black Horn of Heaven CANNOT stop Monster Reborn. This includes other effects which start chains and includes not only Spell Card effects, but Trap Card effects and Monster Card effects as well. If the summon is due to an effect that needs to resolve in some way, Black Horn of Heaven cannot stop it. This leaves Special Summons that are not caused by card effects. These will be due to Summoning Conditions that are printed on cards that do not start chains and are not considered "Effects" of any card. The easiest ones like this would be when a player attempts a Synchro Summon, by removing Tuner and Non-Tuner counterparts, and Xyz Summons when a player overlays cards. Neither of these actions are brought on by any effect but are Game Mechanics. Both of these can be negated by Black Horn of Heaven. The other way is by Monster Cards who have ways printed on them that allow you to Special Summon them from the hand (and on a few cards from the Graveyard). In the updated "Problem-Solving Card Text", these will be easy to notice when the condition states (from the hand) or (from the Graveyard) in parenthesis like that. In any case, these types of summons are not from card effects, but are as stated are "Summoning Conditions". These summons may be negated by Black Horn of Heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Excellent explanation. I'll just add to it that Thunder King Rai-Oh and Solemn Judgment operate in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Wisel says "(from the hand)", but it starts a chain. Is it just a mistake because the it was one of the first cards with the new text? Both Fushioh Richie and Great Dezard seem to be capable of summoning Fushioh by their own effects (the text of FR is like Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon and GD's is like Gem-knight Alexandrite). Is it just weird wording due to the cards being too old, or can I actually use the effect of either to summon Fushioh?I suppose the only difference would be if I can do it while Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror is active, but it's still something I always wanted to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Wisel says "(from the hand)", but it starts a chain. Is it just a mistake because the it was one of the first cards with the new text? Both Fushioh Richie and Great Dezard seem to be capable of summoning Fushioh by their own effects (the text of FR is like Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon and GD's is like Gem-knight Alexandrite). Is it just weird wording due to the cards being too old, or can I actually use the effect of either to summon Fushioh?I suppose the only difference would be if I can do it while Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror is active, but it's still something I always wanted to know... Wisel is a Trigger Effect that activates from the hand, and Special Summons Wisel from the hand. It specifes so people won't think that Wisel can be Special Summoned from the Graveyard, or anywhere that isn't the hand. Great Dezard and Fushioh Richie are older cards, so their texts are a bit weird compared to what became the standard. Fushioh is a Semi-Nomi. It must first be Special Summoned by its condition from either the hand or Deck by using the Effect of Great Dezard. After it has been properly Summoned, it can be Special Summoned by other means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 So like Dark Crusader where it doesn't state "until the End Phase", means that it's ATK stays as how much it gained? [spoiler=Dark Crusader] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Unless it has a "(permanently)" right after the clause, it is usually assumed the increase/decrease stays until the End Phase, and resets during that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDorago Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Unless it has a "(permanently)" right after the clause, it is usually assumed the increase/decrease stays until the End Phase, and resets during that time.Really? BW - Gale and E-HERO Great Tornado are as long as the affected monsters are face up, and they don't state "permanently." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Really? BW - Gale and E-HERO Great Tornado are as long as the affected monsters are face up, and they don't state "permanently." Oh, f***, I totally forgot about Gale. Disregard my last post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Yeah, if cards don't say "until the End Phase" or something similar, that usually means that effects are permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 If a card doesn't state when a stat modifcation wears off, that means it doesn't wear off as long as the affected monster(s) is faceup on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Ninjitsu Art of Transformation says "equal to or less than the Level of the Tributed card + 3." Does that mean I can drop the Level 4 Hanzo for Level 4 Sacred Crane with said trap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Ninjitsu Art of Transformation says "equal to or less than the Level of the Tributed card + 3." Does that mean I can drop the Level 4 Hanzo for Level 4 Sacred Crane with said trap? Yes. Hanzo's Level is 4. +3= 7. You can SS a Level 7 or lower monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCG warrior Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 if I control a face-up gozen match, and both me and my opponent control only 1 monster with a different type.Can creature swap be activated in this situation? and if so, do the monsters just change control or will they both be sent to the graveyard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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