Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[darkwolf777]

According to Wiki, it was a ruling applied by Upperdeck and may not be official. But very rarely have I seen a ruling labeled as such that no longer applies. And the OCG rulings dont mention it at all.

 

Yes, well, semantics are key to why it would work this way. "This card is still treated as a Trap Card" is an important part of that, as it basically means "While a monster, this card is still treated as a Trap Card", but in a Yugioh-ish kind of way, it does not imply that "While a Trap, this card is treated as a Monster", which is why My Body cannot stop MST/Heavy on Trap Monsters.

 

Its like "When i'm Superman, I am also Clark Kent", but "When i'm Clark Kent, I am not Superman", where Superman = Monster and Clark Kent = Trap. Surely you can't expose your true identity to the normies while you're Clark Kent, but when you are Superman, at least the other Super Heroes know you as you truly are (or your Lois Lane).

 

Hopefully that makes some sense xD

[evilfusion]

So the ruling logic is correct, but Fake Trap itself does not follow the same logic?

 

Fake Trap does specifically say "When your opponent uses an effect of a Spell, Trap...to destroy Trap Card(s)..."

[darkwolf777]

So the ruling logic is correct, but Fake Trap itself does not follow the same logic?

 

Fake Trap does specifically say "When your opponent uses an effect of a Spell, Trap...to destroy Trap Card(s)..."

 

Correct, which is the main issue: "This card is still treated as a Trap Card" (implied as "While it is a monster"), so a card that would destroy a Trap Monster is also destroying a Trap, but a card that is destroying a Trap is NOT destroying a Trap Monster.

[evilfusion]

I see. I'll have to take your word on that. Fortunately, no one uses Fake Trap anyway, so the ruling discrepency will probably NEVER come up.

[Sempaisama]

 

If it does uses it's effect to destroy a light monster, Will I still take damage?

[evilfusion]

Ignoring the poor OCG, no, you don't take damage if the monster is destroyed before Damage Calculation.

[EHN.]

1.)Opponent has 1 card in hand and gate of the dark world on field.

 

They use gate, remove some random fiend from their graveyard. They discard celuri.

 

When celuri is special summoned, they have no cards in their hand. When they draw the card off gate, is that card discarded by celuri, or does celuri's effect not activate?

 

2.) A fairly broad question. Basically need an explanation of priority and recent rulings and what not because I haven't been keeping up with priority or how it works and what not.

[evilfusion]

1.)Opponent has 1 card in hand and gate of the dark world on field.

 

They use gate, remove some random fiend from their graveyard. They discard celuri.

 

When celuri is special summoned, they have no cards in their hand. When they draw the card off gate, is that card discarded by celuri, or does celuri's effect not activate?

 

2.) A fairly broad question. Basically need an explanation of priority and recent rulings and what not because I haven't been keeping up with priority or how it works and what not.

 

1) Here's how it works. Gate's effect is activated. He banishes a Fiend as a cost. He then discards Celuri as the effect and draws. (Discarding and drawing both occur as part of Gate's resolution, which is why Celuri does not interfere with the draw). After this, Celuri's Trigger Effect activates, SSing itself to the opponent's field. Then, Celuri's second Trigger Effect activates, and he (Celuri's controller's opponent) discards the card in hand.

 

2) TCG has priority on Ignition Effects only. That is, if you successfully Summon a monster during your Main Phase, you can activate an Ignition Effect as Chain Link 1, before your opponent can respond with a card like Bottomless Trap Hole, Torrential Tribute, Book of Moon, or so on.

 

Note that an Ignition Effect is an effect the Turn Player chooses to activate during their Main Phase. Trigger Effects have nothing to do with priority.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

1.)Opponent has 1 card in hand and gate of the dark world on field.

 

They use gate, remove some random fiend from their graveyard. They discard celuri.

 

When celuri is special summoned, they have no cards in their hand. When they draw the card off gate, is that card discarded by celuri, or does celuri's effect not activate?

 

Ceruli's effect states that if it is discarded, it is SS to the opponent's side of the field, and THEY must discard a card (at least, that is what it looks like in my mind).

 

2.) A fairly broad question. Basically need an explanation of priority and recent rulings and what not because I haven't been keeping up with priority or how it works and what not.

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Priority

[evilfusion]

Ceruli's effect states that if it is discarded, it is SS to the opponent's side of the field, and THEY must discard a card (at least, that is what it looks like in my mind).

 

Ceruli confuses everyone. Ceruli is designed to make the DW player discard. It has two separate Trigger Effects.

 

The first activates in the Graveyard, when it has been discarded by an effect. It SSes itself to the opponent's field.

 

The second activates on its current controller's field, if it was SSed by a DW effect (counting the effect of Ceruli itself). From where it sits when activated, the opponent of its controller discards a card of choice.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

Ceruli confuses everyone. Ceruli is designed to make the DW player discard. It has two separate Trigger Effects.

 

The first activates in the Graveyard, when it has been discarded by an effect. It SSes itself to the opponent's field.

 

The second activates on its current controller's field, if it was SSed by a DW effect (counting the effect of Ceruli itself). From where it sits when activated, the opponent of its controller discards a card of choice.

 

Ah. That is confusing. :\ Thank you for rectifying my error.

[evilfusion]

Ah. That is confusing. :\ Thank you for rectifying my error.

 

Fortunately, I watched GX long ago, where Ceruli debuted, and Brron very clearly and step-by-step explained the card. So I've never been confused because its RL effect is identical to the anime's.

[Blake]

1.)Opponent has 1 card in hand and gate of the dark world on field.

 

They use gate, remove some random fiend from their graveyard. They discard celuri.

 

When celuri is special summoned, they have no cards in their hand. When they draw the card off gate, is that card discarded by celuri, or does celuri's effect not activate?

They draw before Celuri is SS;d, as Celuri is SS'd after gate resolves, so they have to discard, yes.

 

And Celuri never confused me o.o

[Resident Fascist]

Does Fortune Lady Lighty miss the timing if I do this:

 

1) Activate Skull lair

2) Remove from play 1 Monster to destroy Lighty.

3) Special Summon Wisel from my hand.

 

I assume she would because she's a "when...you can..." effect.

[CDDRodrigo]

In that situation, it doesn't miss timing, Shard.

 

There are two trigger effects happening at the same time, you chain them together.

[evilfusion]

Does Fortune Lady Lighty miss the timing if I do this:

 

1) Activate Skull lair

2) Remove from play 1 Monster to destroy Lighty.

3) Special Summon Wisel from my hand.

 

I assume she would because she's a "when...you can..." effect.

 

No, it doesn't. You asked this before in a status and I confirmed it doesn't.

 

Wisel and Light are both Trigger Effects, but have the same timing (as Light, when destroyed by an effect, is sent to the Graveyard), so they can activate together on the same chain.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

Does Fortune Lady Lighty miss the timing if I do this:

 

1) Activate Skull lair

2) Remove from play 1 Monster to destroy Lighty.

3) Special Summon Wisel from my hand.

 

I assume she would because she's a "when...you can..." effect.

 

1. It will not.

2. It will not, but it depends on what monster you Banish.

3. Both of them have the same timing, so they will occur on the same chain. So it will not.

[Resident Fascist]

1. It will not.

2. It will not, but it depends on what monster you Banish.

3. Both of them have the same timing, so they will occur on the same chain. So it will not.

 

Yeaaaa

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

2. It will not, but it depends on what monster you Banish.

No it doesn't depend on what monster you banished. It would still be 2 trigger effects, just that the monster banished has the posibility of missing timing or whatever.

 

Give me an example if you think I'm wrong.

[evilfusion]

Shard's numbering was a step-by-step, not different questions.

[Blake]

During the End Phase, if I SS a monster after Venom Swamp places counters, will it place a counter on the new monster?

[evilfusion]

During the End Phase, if I SS a monster after Venom Swamp places counters, will it place a counter on the new monster?

 

Placing Venom Counters starts a chain, so I'm going to say that it follows the same ruling as Red Dragon Archfiend and Savage Colosseum: These effects only activate once in a given turn.

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

i have a question: when there a card effect that half an ATK of a monster and a monster's ATK is continuous effect. does it cut it in whole or so?

[evilfusion]

i have a question: when there a card effect that half an ATK of a monster and a monster's ATK is continuous effect. does it cut it in whole or so?

 

It depends on whether it halves ATK or original ATK.

 

If it halves the entire ATK, it also includes any bonuses.

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

It depends on whether it halves ATK or original ATK.

 

If it halves the entire ATK, it also includes any bonuses.

 

ok thks