Dementuo Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 So... The effect will still be negated by General?And Debris + Lonefire doesn't work either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Correct. It's the wording. Cards like Debris and General say "It's effect is negated", so if the effect activates on the field, it doesn't work. Cards like Dandylion and Sangan still work when summoned by cards with this condition because they activate in the Graveyard, after the condition has worn off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Glad I asked, then. I didn't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 With cards like Magical Exemplar, do they still gain Spell Counters if you destroy/negate them at activation? (spell cards, I mean) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Cards that negate effects upon Summoning them, or outright state "negate the effect" (Junk Synchron, Debris, Tour Guide, Infernity General, Forbidden Chalice, Effect Veiler) negate the effects that activate or apply on the field. Skill Drain is different because it specifically states "faceup", and since costs are never negated, cards that Tribute itself (Stardust, Beetle, Exiled Force, Lonefire on itself) dodge Skill Drain because while they activated on the field, they are no longer on the field when their effects resolve, which is when Skill Drain would negate them. With cards like Magical Exemplar, do they still gain Spell Counters if you destroy/negate them at activation? (spell cards, I mean) If you negate the effect with something like Spell Canceller, or MSTing a Continuous/Equip/Field Spell, Exempler will still gain counters because a Spell was activated. But if you negate the ACTIVATION (Magic Jammer, etc), Exempler will not gain counters because a Spell was not successfully activated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Can I chain Book of Moon to Effect Veiler to allow my effect to get through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Can I chain Book of Moon to Effect Veiler to allow my effect to get through? Depending on the effect, if the monster is face-down, it won't happen anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Depending on the effect, if the monster is face-down, it won't happen anyway. That doesn't answer the question. Answer it as generically as you can, leaving specific instances aside. Whether or not the monster's effect can resolve while its face-down has nothing to do with Veiler still affecting it or not. Most monster effects still resolve even if the monster that activated it is face-down or removed from the field =/ If you chain Book of Moon to Effect Veiler, then your Monster will be face-down and Veiler cannot apply its negation effect onto it. If Effect Veiler is chained to Book of Moon, Veiler will apply its negation effect, but then the monster will be flipped face-down, in which case, Veiler will stop applying in that situation as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Kaiser Sea Horse's effect cannot be applied with Galaxy Eyes, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Kaiser Sea Horse's effect cannot be applied with Galaxy Eyes, correct?For a Normal Summon, yes, for a Special Summon, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 2 Masked Dragons destroy eachother.Opponent summons first, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 2 Masked Dragons destroy eachother.Opponent summons first, correct?Turn player activates first, non turn player special summons first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Two colossal fighters duke it out and kill each other. Can he summon my Colossal before I can summon something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Two colossal fighters duke it out and kill each other. Can he summon my Colossal before I can summon something?Once again, turn player's colossal activates first, then the non-turn player. So the turn player would select their monster first, then the non-turn player could select the monster the turn player selected and just say "f*ck you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Once again, turn player's colossal activates first, then the non-turn player. So the turn player would select their monster first, then the non-turn player could select the monster the turn player selected and just say "f*ck you" :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Once again, turn player's colossal activates first, then the non-turn player. So the turn player would select their monster first, then the non-turn player could select the monster the turn player selected and just say "f*ck you" Or repeat the same thing all over again. But that would be stupid and pointless. SMASHSMASHSMASH for 20 minutes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Or repeat the same thing all over again. But that would be stupid and pointless. SMASHSMASHSMASH for 20 minutes.... I've done it before. its cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Can you activate Ojamagic from your hand to send it to the grave and use its effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Can you activate Ojamagic from your hand to send it to the grave and use its effect?No, you cannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 No, you cannot That's what I thought. My friend will be angry to hear that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Does Gaap prevent Giant Orc or Indomitable Fighter Lei Lei from shifting to defense position? What about using Monster Reborn, etc, in the End Phase to SS Gaap while either of the latter is out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Gaap is a Continuous Effect. Any monsters switched to Defense Position will immediately return to Attack Position, and any monsters already in Defense will go to Attack. The line "their Battle Positions cannot be changed" refers to manual changes. Effects like Goblin or Lyla will still switch accordingly, but Gaap will immediately return them to Attack Position. It is the same as Final Attack Orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Xyz Materials are removed from play when Marco / Banisher is on the field, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Does Backfire's effect activate when Gaia Soul nukes itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Xyz Materials are removed from play when Marco / Banisher is on the field, right? Macro and Banisher? Yes. All cards sent to the Graveyard are removed from play instead. With Dimensional Fissure, No, they will not be removed from play because Xyz Materials are not Monsters. They are sent as Xyz Materials. Does Backfire's effect activate when Gaia Soul nukes itself? Yes. It doesn't matter how the Fire monster will be destroyed, so long as you control it when it does and it is sent to the Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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