Canadian Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Super huge argument with one of two possible rulings: Mystic PiperYou can Tribute this card to draw and reveal 1 card. If that card is a Level 1 Monster Card, draw 1 more card. The effect of "Mystic Piper" can only be activated once per turn. Now, does this mean you draw 1 card from your deck. THAN, you can reveal any 1 card in your hand? If the REVEALED card is lvl 1, you draw again? OR Do you draw 1 card and reveal it (it being the card that was just drawn). If THAT card was lvl 1, you can draw again? If its the second way, than I blame Konami for not pointing it out and for having shitty card gammar. (if its the second way, it should be worded "You can Tribute this card to draw 1 card and reveal it.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 The card you drew is revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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darkwolf777 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Super huge argument with one of two possible rulings: Mystic PiperYou can Tribute this card to draw and reveal 1 card. If that card is a Level 1 Monster Card, draw 1 more card. The effect of "Mystic Piper" can only be activated once per turn. Now, does this mean you draw 1 card from your deck. THAN, you can reveal any 1 card in your hand? If the REVEALED card is lvl 1, you draw again? OR Do you draw 1 card and reveal it (it being the card that was just drawn). If THAT card was lvl 1, you can draw again? If its the second way, than I blame Konami for not pointing it out and for having shitty card gammar. (if its the second way, it should be worded "You can Tribute this card to draw 1 card and reveal it.") You draw and reveal 1 card. You don't draw 1 card and reveal 1 card in the hand (the card doesn't even say to reveal from the hand). The "draw" and "reveal" are being done to "1 card". You reveal the card you drew with Mystic Piper's effect. I agree, it should just say "draw 1 card and reveal it", but what can you do? According to WC11, I can't summon both Tanngnjostr of the Nordic Beasts and Yellow Baboon Archer of the Forest at the same time when something runs over my beast. Why is this? You can only activate the Trigger Effect of 1 Trigger Effect monster in the hand at the same timing. Since neither Trigger Effect is clearly visible to the playing area, they both do not activate simultaneously. If you activate one of them, as said already, you'll miss the timing on the other one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthepanda Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 If I use Reborn Tengu as material for Black Rose Dragon and then nuke the field, does Reborn Tengu special summon another copy of itself before or after Black Rose dragon nuke's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 If I use Reborn Tengu as material for Black Rose Dragon and then nuke the field, does Reborn Tengu special summon another copy of itself before or after Black Rose dragon nuke's? After the nuke. BRD's effect is optional, and Tengu's effect is mandatory. So Tengu's effect will always be Chain Link 1. Same applies to Dandylion's tokens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 If I use Reborn Tengu as material for Black Rose Dragon and then nuke the field, does Reborn Tengu special summon another copy of itself before or after Black Rose dragon nuke's? Tengu being sent to the Graveyard and Black Rose Dragon being Synchro Summoned occur at the same time. As such, the effects will chain together. Reborn Tengu is a mandatory effect. It will automatically activate as Chain Link 1. Black Rose Dragon is an Optional Trigger Effect, and can be activated as Chain Link 2. When the chain resolves, Black Rose Dragon (Link 2) will resolve first and nuke the field. Then, Tengu (Chain Link 1) will Special Summon 1 from the deck. It operates EXACTLY like Dandylion being used as Material for Black Rose Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Does Scrap Worm's effect activate if it destroys itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Does Scrap Worm's effect activate if it destroys itself? Considering "Scrap Worm" is a "Scrap" monster, and the trigger is "When this card is destroyed by the effect of a "Scrap" card", then yes, Scrap Worm will activate if it destroys itself with its own effect. Same with Scrap Kong and Scrap Shark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can Mirror Force and Dark Mirror Force be activated simultaneously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can Mirror Force and Dark Mirror Force be activated simultaneously? I'm pretty sure they can be chained together because the timing is still correct (an opponent's monster declaring an attack). I don't think there's a restriction that it has to activate DIRECTLY to the attack declaration, but the timing window can't be passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can Mirror Force and Dark Mirror Force be activated simultaneously?Yes, but you're better off not using Dark Mirror Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I have a few questions for a card I am making and want to know if I need to change it a bit to do what I want it to do. Dragons Expressed Doorway "Discard 3 cards from your hand; Remove from play 1 face-up Dragon-Type monster you control; Special Summon 1 monster with the same name as the Tributed monster OR has the Tributed monster's name in its card effect (from your Deck) ignoring the Summoning conditions." I am wondering now so lets say Armed Dragon Level 3 you removed, can you bring a level 5 out or not? Or lets say I removed Red-Eyes B. Dragon, can I bring out Red Eyes B. Metal Dragon? or lets say I removed Blue-Eyes White Dragon, could I bring out White Stone of Legend? If not, how can I reword this so I can do it all pretty much. I mean pretty much choose the higher or lower level of the monster's counterpart and bring it out? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I have a few questions for a card I am making and want to know if I need to change it a bit to do what I want it to do. Dragons Expressed Doorway "Discard 3 cards from your hand; Remove from play 1 face-up Dragon-Type monster you control; Special Summon 1 monster with the same name as the Tributed monster OR has the Tributed monster's name in its card effect (from your Deck) ignoring the Summoning conditions." I am wondering now so lets say Armed Dragon Level 3 you removed, can you bring a level 5 out or not? Or lets say I removed Red-Eyes B. Dragon, can I bring out Red Eyes B. Metal Dragon? or lets say I removed Blue-Eyes White Dragon, could I bring out White Stone of Legend? If not, how can I reword this so I can do it all pretty much. I mean pretty much choose the higher or lower level of the monster's counterpart and bring it out? Just wondering. To start with, you have two sets of costs =/ Change it so it says "Discard 3 cards from your hand and Remove from play 1 face-up Dragon-Type monster you control;" Next: Armed Dragon Lv5 and White Stone of Legend have no Special Summoning conditions to ignore, but based on your card's wording: Armed Dragon Lv5 DOES NOT have "Armed Dragon Lv3" in its card text, so you cannot Special Summon it. White Stone of Legend DOES have "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" in its card text, so you can Special Summon it. Red Eyes Black Metal Dragon DOES have "Red-Eyes B. Dragon" in its card text, so you can Special Summon it. It wont be considered to have been Special Summoned properly, so if it hits the Graveyard, you cannot Monster Reborn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I have a few questions for a card I am making and want to know if I need to change it a bit to do what I want it to do. Dragons Expressed Doorway "Discard 3 cards from your hand; Remove from play 1 face-up Dragon-Type monster you control; Special Summon 1 monster with the same name as the Tributed monster OR has the Tributed monster's name in its card effect (from your Deck) ignoring the Summoning conditions." I am wondering now so lets say Armed Dragon Level 3 you removed, can you bring a level 5 out or not? Or lets say I removed Red-Eyes B. Dragon, can I bring out Red Eyes B. Metal Dragon? or lets say I removed Blue-Eyes White Dragon, could I bring out White Stone of Legend? If not, how can I reword this so I can do it all pretty much. I mean pretty much choose the higher or lower level of the monster's counterpart and bring it out? Just wondering. Hm, an interesting hypothetical card Well, the first thing I notice is you used a semi-colon twice, and that means each step starts a new chain, which isn't what you meant to do. What you seem to WANT to do is not have the removal a cost. I'm not sure if you want it to target your monster. "Discard 3 cards from your hand; Banish 1 face-up Dragon-Type monster you control. Then, Special Summon 1 monster from your Deck with the same name as the Tributed monster or has the selected monster's name written in its card text. Ignore the Summoning conditions." (or something to that effect. Not sure on all OCG wording changes) With that in mind: 1) No. Armed LV5 does not have "Armed Dragon LV3" mentioned in its card text.2) Yes, since Metal Dragon has the original's name mentioned its text.3) You could, since White Stone has Blue Eyes' name in its card text, but I have no idea why you'd want to. If you want them to be able to seek out monsters on either side of the evolutionary chain then you'd want to alter the text to be similar to that of Level Up! "Discard 3 cards from your hand and banish 1 face-up Dragon-Type monster you control; Special Summon a monster from your Deck that is written in the card text of the banished monster, OR has the selected monster's name written in its card text. Ignore the Summoning Conditions." The change I made in this case is making the banishment a cost, so it can't choose a monster to banish that won't be able to apply its effect. With this case, since Armed LV3 mentions Armed 5 in its text, you can Tributd Armed 3 for Armed 5, or vice versa. If you Tribute Armed 5, you can SS LV3 or LV7. If you Tribute LV7, you can SS LV5 (its own text) or LV10 (LV10's text). Red-Eyes will let you drop Darkness Dragon (not metallized), Sin Red-Eyes, or Red-Eyes B Metal Dragon and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 @Evil Fusion: You done it again, and yea, i had some help with the wording and he chose to do the new OCG, but thank you and yes, it is interesting, I'm going to be aiding the dragons as they seem already powerful enough to take on the synchro's, make them battle the Xyz's next so we have a fighting chance is my next sets goal. But thank you.... So, with the effect fix you gave me will pull these off then? "Discard 3 cards from your hand and banish 1 face-up Dragon-Type monster you control; Special Summon a monster from your Deck that is written in the card text of the banished monster, OR has the selected monster's name written in its card text. Ignore the Summoning Conditions." Discard 3 cards and Red-Eyes B dragon removed = Red Eyes Darkness, Red Eyes B. Chick or Red Eyes Metal Dragon.Discard 3 cards and Armed Dragon Level 3 = Armed Dragon Level 5 or 7--Replace Armed Dragon with Mask to get the same principleDiscard 3 cards and Toon Blue-Eyes Dragon or Blue-Eye's White Dragon = White Stone of Legend and you are probably wondering why... I thank you for making it so they couldn't just get rid of 3 card and banish a card on there own without having to activating the effect, and I still have to wonder why anyone would do that in the begin with.... Well, when I'm able tomorrow to give you +reps b/c I sadly used them up today, I will give you lots of them.... Thank you very very much and I hope when I get done with it you'll come by and look.....if you want to.... I still need to learn the new OCG if everyone wants to keep using it, but it shouldn't be to hard I guess....; = start of chain, I got that now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinsbon Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Does Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid prevent the use of Honest on any and all Lightsworn monsters (save JD)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Does Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid prevent the use of Honest on any and all Lightsworn monsters (save JD)? Honest does not target, so no, Aurkus won't stop its use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Gaia Plate the Earth Giant; it's halving effect is Continuous right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 If you use Mask Change on Absolute Zero, which order does it resolve? Will it Summon Vapor before the destruction effect or after? Of course, Vapor avoids this anyway but I'd like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 If you use Mask Change on Absolute Zero, which order does it resolve? Will it Summon Vapor before the destruction effect or after? Of course, Vapor avoids this anyway but I'd like to know. Mask Change will send Zero and Summon Vapor. Then, Absolute Zero will activate from the Graveyard/RFG and destroy the opposing monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 I have a hypothetical question bout tokens.zif a token can come from more than 1 source, can the stats be different? For example, say there was another way of summoning sheep tokens. Would the stats have to be similar, or could they change? I'm asking because I want to make Eva tokens bulkier. I should probably just resort to making them treated as eva tokens, but meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 I have a hypothetical question bout tokens.zif a token can come from more than 1 source, can the stats be different? For example, say there was another way of summoning sheep tokens. Would the stats have to be similar, or could they change? I'm asking because I want to make Eva tokens bulkier. I should probably just resort to making them treated as eva tokens, but meh. A Token's name and statistics are based on the card that Special Summoned them. If you want bulkier tokens, just create a card that creates "Eva Tokens" with better stats/abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 A Token's name and statistics are based on the card that Special Summoned them. If you want bulkier tokens, just create a card that creates "Eva Tokens" with better stats/abilities.Awesome. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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