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poopybuttoxes Newbie

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Malefics, just like monsters that came before them (Grandmaster of the Six Samurai for example), monsters that say "You can only control X copies of this card/There can only be X copies of this card" are a Summoning Condition. You cannot summon a monster if it would be breaking this rule. If you happen to control multiples on the field, the effects on the field would destroy any extra ones.

 

If Skill Drain negated the effects of the ones on the field, then if there happened to be two Malefics that you control on the field face-up at the same time, their effects would not destroy each other (since they'd be negated by Skill Drain), but because it is still a Summoning Condition, ones in the hand still cannot be summoned while you control other malefics.

 

Zombyra isn't a cost at all o.x If its effect is negated, then any reductions in its own attack will be cleared and it will have 2100 ATK. Monsters that actually have costs to attack (such as Dark Elf and Mist Valley Falcon for example) do not pay their costs to attack if Skill Drain is on the field (meaning you do not pay 1000 Life Points to attack for Dark Elf, or return a card to the hand for Mist Valley Falcon).

Thanks for clearing up the malific summon thing. Im pretty sure cost is not negated though. I was just wondering what all counts as a cost.

 

To add to this, monster's effects are negated only if the monster is face-up when the effect resolves.

 

Examples:

• I activate Cannon Soldier, tributing a Scapegoat token. Cannon Soldier is still face-up on the field when the effect resolves, so Skill Drain will negate it.

• I activate Cannon Soldier, tributing itself. Cannon Soldier is now not on the field when the effect resolves, so Skill Drain can't negate it.

• I activate Cannon Soldier's effect, tributing a Scapegoat token, then chain with Book of Moon, targeting Cannon Soldier. Cannon Soldier gets flipped face-down and is face-down when its effect resolves, so Skill Drain can't negate it.

Thanks for that too. Very helpful. I appreciate it.

 

Hey guys, I didn't really read the whole wall of text, but Skill Drain doesn't negate cost. Just saying.

You are def right. Same with royal decree and wall of revealing light. You can activate it and pay the cost but the effect is negated.

 

My final questions are what all counts as a cost? Is it just life points or can it be a discarded card and/or some other payment of something?

 

Speaking of discarding and cost, when i play tag force and i use my dark world deck i run cards like magic jammer and that one fabled card (not raven) where you discard a card and it destroys a monster with less DEF than its ATK, well when i activate the effect and discard a dark world monster it doesnt summon with that guy or magic jammer. Is it because of a cost? or just something about the effects resolving?

 

Thanks again guys for the previous help.

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Ieyasu Tokugawa Newbie

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Thanks for clearing up the malific summon thing. Im pretty sure cost is not negated though. I was just wondering what all counts as a cost.

It depends on what costs you're talking about. Costs for the monster to attack and such are negated, but costs to activate the actual effect of the monster are not negated. That's why Lonefire can still tribute itself for it's effect and get a monster our.

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Thanks for clearing up the malific summon thing. Im pretty sure cost is not negated though. I was just wondering what all counts as a cost.

 

Just like in other situations where you are not allowed to do something, you cannot pay the costs for something you aren't allowed to do in the first place, so for example, if you cannot Summon a Malefic Monster because you have one on your side of the field already, then you cannot make an attempt to Summon one. You cannot remove a monster from the Deck/Extra Deck since you aren't allowed to perform the Summon in the first place.

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no they don't

 

i tried ordering a card from ebay from "trollandtoadstore" and then i was told something about a problem with payment and that i wasn't gonna get it

I'm pretty sure they do...they just got rid of the 99 cent shipping for international. I'm on my account and their drop down menu still has UK.

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Can neos fusions be summoned with miracle Fusion?

 

Got in a despite on DN, we called it a draw.

 

No, they cannot. Neos Fusions can only be Special Summoned from the Extra Deck using the method written on the card. It says so specifically.

 

Divine Neos is the only one that doesn't require a "Contact Fusion" and yes, can be Special Summoned with Miracle Fusion. The others cannot.

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Okay, I just want to verify that I understand how this works.

 

A player uses Morphing Jar/Card Destruction, and 3 Dark World monsters are discarded. For example: Grapha, Broww, and Sillva. All of them are controlled by the player who discarded them.

 

Being the turn player, they place them on chain as mandatory effects, choosing this order:

 

Link 1: Grapha

Link 2: Broww

Link 3: Sillva

 

This would resolve backwards

 

Link 3: Sillva is Special Summoned

Link 2: Draw 1 card

Link 1: Grapha destroys a card.

 

Okay, now suppose the opponent had Stardust Dragon when this chain was created.

 

Only player mandatory effects are activating at this time. Is it true that Stardust cannot chain to Grapha's effect due to the order of the chain (Grapha being Link 1) and that the only effect that can be chained to is Link 3?

 

Or am I completely misunderstanding the SEGOC rules?

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No, that's correct, as long as Grapha isn't at Chain link 3 (in this example), Stardust can't negate it. It's the same thing as if you fused E-HERO Gaia with E-HERO Absolute Zero, and set Absolute Zero at Chain Link 1 and Gaia at Chain Link 2.

 

My question:

Are Gyzarus, Heraklinos, Essadari and Gaiodiaz consider to be Fusion Summoned, or simply Special Summoned?

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No, that's correct, as long as Grapha isn't at Chain link 3 (in this example), Stardust can't negate it. It's the same thing as if you fused E-HERO Gaia with E-HERO Absolute Zero, and set Absolute Zero at Chain Link 1 and Gaia at Chain Link 2.

 

My question:

Are Gyzarus, Heraklinos, Essadari and Gaiodiaz consider to be Fusion Summoned, or simply Special Summoned?

 

They are "Special Summoned", but considered to be properly Special Summoned for the purposes of the Nomi/Semi-Nomi rule. The same is true for the Neos Contact Fusions.

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This doesn't really belong here, but I need a ruling on this...

I created a monster with the following effect: "You can reveal this card in your hand to select 1 "Spirn" monster you control and 1 monster your opponent controls. When this effect resolves, destroy the selected monsters and Special Summon this card from your hand."

 

So does this thing Dodge the effects of Stardust and Solemn Warning and similar cards??

Yes or no?

 

The Effect is similar to "Order to Charge" - a Quickplay Spell Card...

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This doesn't really belong here, but I need a ruling on this...

I created a monster with the following effect: "You can reveal this card in your hand to select 1 "Spirn" monster you control and 1 monster your opponent controls. When this effect resolves, destroy the selected monsters and Special Summon this card from your hand."

 

So does this thing Dodge the effects of Stardust and Solemn Warning and similar cards??

Yes or no?

 

The Effect is similar to "Order to Charge" - a Quickplay Spell Card...

 

Order to Charge is really an odd case and it's bizarre wording and ruling is more based on the time the card was released.

 

The problem with hypothetical cards and this one in particular is it doesn't follow normal OCG, so it's much harder to make rulings for. If you based it on a card with really bizarre rulings/wordings due to being an outdated card, that's not helping.

 

Now, I think Stardust can be used because the card designated targets at activation and will destroy them at resolution. This to me looks similar to Scrap Dragon.

 

Warning can probably be used because the card is sure to Summon itself.

 

The best way to dodge Stardust is to:

 

1) Make the destruction based on chance (Snipe Hunter, Barrel Dragon)

 

or

 

2) Make the destruction a secondary effect that is optional (Magical Dimension)

 

To dodge Warning, the Special Summon can be a secondary effect that is optional, or the Special Summon does not occur at resolution, but at a later time (Future Fusion, W Nebula Meteorite).

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This doesn't really belong here, but I need a ruling on this...

I created a monster with the following effect: "You can reveal this card in your hand to select 1 "Spirn" monster you control and 1 monster your opponent controls. When this effect resolves, destroy the selected monsters and Special Summon this card from your hand."

 

So does this thing Dodge the effects of Stardust and Solemn Warning and similar cards??

Yes or no?

 

The Effect is similar to "Order to Charge" - a Quickplay Spell Card...

 

Stardust Dragon can negate Order to Charge. In a similar fashion, this will be negated by Stardust Dragon.

 

Just because Order to Charge doesn't target a monster to be destroyed doesn't mean Stardust cannot touch it. Its effect will 100% of the time at activation destroy 1 monster the opponent controls. It can be negated by Stardust Dragon.

 

Warning in a similar fashion will negate this card's effect.

 

To dodge Warning, the Special Summon can be a secondary effect that is optional, or the Special Summon does not occur at resolution, but at a later time (Future Fusion, W Nebula Meteorite).

 

Two things to say here:

 

1) Making the Special Summon optional will not stop Warning or Oppression. (i.e. Starlight Road).

 

2) Future Fusion can be negated by Solemn Warning/Royal Oppression at activation even though it does not Special Summon right away. This is because Future Fusion begins the Fusion Summoning process of removing Fusion Material Monsters from the deck. (or so this is what I believe is the reason).

 

I don't believe W Nebula Meteorite can be negated by Warning/Oppression. I don't believe it does since its kinda different than Future Fusion (which begins the process of Fusion Summoning by sending materials), but I don't know for sure.

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