Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[burnpsy]

I got into a disagreement with an alleged "level 1 judge" regarding Tanngjnostr and Tanngrisnir of the Nordic Beast.

 

For the record:

 

People with Judge certification are NOT judged unless they're currently judging whatever even you're in. If they try to use that as proof or support while they're the ones playing, it means nothing, they're actually breaking the rules by doing so.

 

EDIT: Also, for your new question, you can revive Thor.

[evilfusion]

The fact that they seem to be wrong more often than not just gives me more reason to go by my knowledge and understanding of the rules than simply by the word of someone who claims superiority.

 

Yeah, I was 99% sure Thor could still be revived, but as I had Dark Hole in hand, the cards needed to make a second Odin, and my Odin was coming back... Yeah, I wasn't really concerned about reviving Thor.

 

My question regarding "opponent's card". These are the rules I think apply, correct if wrong/forgot something.

 

- If a monster controlled by the opponent destroys Thor in battle, Thor can be revived.

- If an effect controlled by the opponent destroys Thor, Thor can be revived.

- Thor cannot be revived if the owner of Thor destroys Thor with an effect, or with a monster he controls, even if Thor is controlled by the opponent at the time.

- Thor cannot be revived if the opponent destroys Thor by an effect if HE is controlling Thor at the time.

 

To revive, Thor/Odin/Loki must be destroyed by a card the opponent controls, while the owner controls Odin/Thor/Loki.

 

Although, if I remember correctly, Voltic Bicorn is weirder, as it activates just by the condition "destroyed by opponent's card" so it could activate on the opponent's field when destroyed in battle, but if destroyed by effect, the same rules apply (owner must control, opponent must have used destruction).

[darkwolf777]

Your grammar seems a little off

but you wanna be like a judge?

but don't want to be part of events?

 

No, my grammar was right and I said what i meant. I meant you can be certified to do something, but never do it. You know, I can say "i'm not a judge" right now and people would be like "Meh, i'll go find a judge to ask", or I can be certified to become a judge, and be approved. Then I can be like "well, I haven't been a judge at an official event, but I did blah blah blah through konami and they certified me that I am judge-capable.". Something like that. In any case, I was just wondering how it worked :o

 

Suppose my opponent uses Enemy Controller on Odin and uses it to destroy my Thor. During the End Phase, does Thor come back?

 

Hmm, I would say Yes. Your opponent controlled Odin and destroyed your Thor by battle and sent it to the Graveyard. Once in the Graveyard, it can see that its destruction was by a card the opponent controlled, thereby validating the condition at this time. It wont matter if Odin no longer exists on the field where no one controls it, or if Odin is returned to your side of the field by Enemy Controller thereby making it your monster, etc. The condition to activate was validated at the time it was destroyed by the opponent and sent to the Graveyard.

 

The question is what does "opponent's card" truly mean? Does it mean "an Opponent's OWNED card?" or "an opponent's CONTROLLED card?". I'm pretty sure the rulings go by cards and effects they control, not by ownership. Rulings on the wiki say it works with Royal Oppression, but doesn't say by whose Royal Oppression. I assume the opponent activates your Royal Oppression as their effect, which makes it valid in a sense x.o. Edit: Just tried my own Volcanic Queen and Naturia Cherries and it works by opponent's Controlled card in these instances.

 

- Thor cannot be revived if the opponent destroys Thor by an effect if HE is controlling Thor at the time.

 

How odd. I don't see why this wouldn't be true. None of these cards state "If this card YOU CONTROL is destroyed by an opponent's card".

 

As rulings go, if your opponent takes control of one of your monsters, and you destroy it, when it gets to your graveyard, the card sees that it was your controlled card that destroyed it, so it doesn't activate. Isn't that why the effect is invalidated?

 

Why wouldn't the opposite be true? If your opponent controlled your card and he destroyed it with his effect and sent it to the Graveyard, when it gets to your Graveyard, it can see that it was destroyed by your opponent's card and should activate... at least that would the most sense.

 

If that scenario doesn't work, then it should really say "If this card YOU CONTROL is destroyed by a card your opponent's card". At least, that should be less confusing. If that's how its ruled, then I guess we'll have to accept that for now.

 

I tried to test in WC11, but I can't do it fast enough before the Naturia Cherries CPU summons Naturia Beast and ruins half the stuff i'm trying to do. I would have to just get a lucky hand that I get Mind Control and Dark Hole, while he sets Naturia Cherries (which the CPU didn't do even though I used Dark Designator to give it to it, it had other plans)

 

View my next post to see my thoughts on this after a long thought >_>;

[evilfusion]

I'm not sure how it's ruled. I based it off Voltic Bicorn, but I overlooked that Bicorn's effect activates immediately from wherever it ends up when classified as "destroyed", where if you destroy your own Voltic with an effect, but your opponent controls it, its effect activates in your Graveyard/RFG (Bottomless/Crossout/whatever), and since your effect destroyed it, it wont mill.

 

I suppose the opposite is true. The opponent destroying the Voltic Bicorn that they control, but you own should trigger the mill.

 

So the opponent destroying your Thor that they control will still allow for self-revival?

[darkwolf777]

So the opponent destroying your Thor that they control will still allow for self-revival?

 

Answer would be "I'm not too sure, but i'm leaning on the side of No", but please read the following on my thoughts as it may be correct considering what many of the rulings are always saying.

 

After thinking LONG AND HARD ABOUT THIS, I may agree that it will NEVER activate if your opponent controls it. I'll try and explain what I came up with and let you guys see if it makes any sense or not.

 

Before getting into the scenarios, Triggers/Conditions to activate must be met in the exact order that's printed on the card. So for Thor, it must be "Destroyed by opponent's card's effect" and then "Sent to the Graveyard" in that order. The first step must be true before the second step is checked. Keep this in mind.

 

Scenario A: Opponent Controlling my Thor + Destroyed by my Effect

"Destroyed by Opponent's Card's Effect" - The first part of this is true. The opponent of Thor is currently You, the owner. Your card destroyed your opponent's Thor. Since this is valid, Thor's can now check and see if the next part of its Trigger is True.

 

"Sent to the Graveyard" - When Thor is sent to YOUR Graveyard from your Opponent's field, this invalidates the first part of the Trigger as Thor is now it is considered to be "Destroyed by Your Effect".

 

Therefore, once in the Graveyard, "Destroyed by Opponent's Card's Effect" is no longer True, and therefore does not activate, but we knew this part already.

 

Now for the question we are all wondering~

 

Scenario B: Opponent Controlling my Thor + Destroyed by Opponent's Effect

"Destroyed by Opponent's Card's Effect" - This part of the Trigger DOES NOT HAPPEN. From the controller's of Thor's point of view, IT WAS NOT Destroyed by an Opponent's Card's effect, but by their own card. Therefore, the Trigger STOPS CHECKING HERE!! Whoever's Graveyard it goes to does not matter at this point because it wasn't considered to be destroyed by Thor's Opponent in the first place, so The Trigger stops and doesn't check the rest.

 

So in this Scenario, the first part of the Trigger was NEVER TRUE to begin with, so therefore the "Graveyard" part of the Trigger is NEVER CHECKED.

 

I guess its kinda like this. I have 3 colored keycards, Red, Yellow and Blue. The Computer says "Show me your Red Card first, then the Blue Card, and lastly the Yellow card IN THAT ORDER and the door will open. If you enter it in the wrong order, the Alarm will sound.". If you put the cards in the computer in the right order then you may pass successfully. The next guy comes and the computer asks for the same thing. Instead, the first card they put in is the Yellow Card. Since it is not the Red Card like it asked, the computer doesn't need to check the other two cards. It knows the first card was wrong, so the alarm will sound right away, so the other two cards are NEVER CHECKED by the door. It might be the same way with Thor here.

 

So in the end, this may be why if your opponent controls your Thor, and he destroys it with his effect, THOR WILL NOT ACTIVATE.

 

I hope I'm correct on this thinking since I can't test this in the Video Games very easily ><

[Manjoume Thunder]

I hope the players here are satisfied with my Level 0 Judge rulings

 

EVEN I am a lvl1 judge (like the majority of the playbase) and I don't know even some of the basic rulings.

 

Levels don't mean much. ;)

 

especially when you consider that the online test was bugged and you could retake it until you get a good result (iirc you needed 80%+ to pass

[Resident Fascist]

What Happens if Dandylion is discarded from the hand?

[~British Soul~]

What Happens if Dandylion is discarded from the hand?

you still get the tokens,

...even if it was sent from the deck to the grave (by foolish burial)

[Master White]

When a crystal beast is in your Spell/Trap card zone, do you still get its effect?

[darkwolf777]

When a crystal beast is in your Spell/Trap card zone, do you still get its effect?

 

None of the Crystal Beast monsters have any effects while they are a Continuous Spell Card.

 

So no, you cannot activate an effect of "Crystal Beast - Cobalt Eagle" while it is a Continuous Spell Card.

 

Monsters who become Spell Cards do not have effect unless their Monster Effect Specifically says they do while in Spell form.

 

For example:

Dragunity Phalanx's effect works while it is an Equip Spell Card. It is considered to be the effect of an Equip Spell Card that activates, not a Monster Effect.

 

Dark Necrofear, when changed into an Equip Spell Card, gets the effect of taking control of the opponent's monster while it is equipped.

[Resident Fascist]

Is "T.G Hyper Librarian" Legal in the U.K?

[evilfusion]

Is "T.G Hyper Librarian" Legal in the U.K?

 

I don't believe so. Cards are only legal if they've been mass produced and available to the public. JUMP promos aren't legal for this purpose outside the US.

 

This is also why people get excited when JUMP promos are reprinted in other TCG territories.

[Resident Fascist]

I don't believe so. Cards are only legal if they've been mass produced and available to the public. JUMP promos aren't legal for this purpose outside the US.

 

This is also why people get excited when JUMP promos are reprinted in other TCG territories.

 

 

They are legal.

 

 

All Shonen Jump promos up to Seven Swords Warrior (JUMP-EN047) and Torposphere (JMPS-EN001) are legal, except:

 

 

JUMP-EN006 Unity

JUMP-EN007 Yu-Jo Friendship

JUMP-EN008 Judgment of the Pharaoh

JUMP-EN027 Arcana Force Ex - the Light Ruler

JUMP-EN032 Beast King Barbaros

JUMP-EN034 Genesis Dragon

JUMP-EN035 Orichalcos Shunoros

JUMP-EN036 Darkness Neosphere

JUMP-EN037 Obelisk the Tormentor

JUMP-EN040 Golem Dragon

JUMP-EN041 The Tyrant Neptune

JUMP-EN042 Transforming Sphere

JUMP-EN043 Malefic Stardust Dragon

JUMP-EN046 Lightning Warrior

JUMP-EN047 Seven Swords Warrior

JUMP-EN048 Malefic Truth Dragon

 

Legal in Europe, not legal in Oceania:

JUMP-EN045 The Winged Dragon of Ra

This list will be updated as needed; cards not explicitly mentioned below should be assumed to be legal.

cards not explicitly mentioned below should be assumed to be legal.

 

*Play large Hallalujah(Spelling?) sound*

[Legend Zero]

You can't use Parallel World Fusion and Miracle Fusion on the same turn, correct?

[evilfusion]

You can't use Parallel World Fusion and Miracle Fusion on the same turn, correct?

 

Parallel World Fusion states "You cannot Special Summon other monsters this turn". If you've already Special Summoned earlier in the turn, then, like Soul Exchange, you are not allowed to activate Parallel World Fusion at all.

 

So no, you cannot activate Miracle and Parallel in the same turn because if you play one, you're restricted from playing the other.

[Legend Zero]

I pointed that out on DN and the dude rage quit.... <_<

[evilfusion]

It's just an example of a card that LOOKS like it has a combo, but EXPLICITLY says it can't be used that way.

 

Well, you can't do it in the same turn, but otherwise it's a valid combo.

[-Berserker-]

If Shi En activates it's effect and it's negated, can it activate it's effect again the same turn?

[darkwolf777]

If Shi En activates it's effect and it's negated, can it activate it's effect again the same turn?

 

You can only activate it "Once per turn". Even if its activation is negated, you cannot activate it again that turn, just like any Ignition Effects that activate "Once per turn".

[~British Soul~]

if D.D. Warrior attacks Spirit Reaper, what happens after damage calculation

[darkwolf777]

if D.D. Warrior attacks Spirit Reaper, what happens after damage calculation

 

Both monsters are removed from play.

 

There's nothing tricky going on here o.x; D.D. Warrior's effect doesn't target, and even if it did, Spirit Reaper doesn't destroy itself until after resolution of a card that targeted it, and therefore would've been removed from play first anyway.

[.Nu-13]

I activate Card Destruction, discarding Snow and Celri. Which one triggers first?

[darkwolf777]

I activate Card Destruction, discarding Snow and Celri. Which one triggers first?

 

Snow is Chain Link #1 because it is Mandatory.

 

You can choose to activate Celri as Chain Link #2.

 

Celri resolves first and Special Summons to the Opponent's side of the field, then Snow searches.

 

After Snow searches, Celri activates on the opponent's side of the field, and they randomly discard 1 card from your hand.

[.Nu-13]

Erm, both of them are mandatory

[darkwolf777]

Erm, both of them are mandatory

 

Current English wording on the wiki for the OCG version says can.

 

If both were mandatory, then you choose which is Chain Link #1 and Chain Link #2.

 

Edit: I guess "If" effects are Mandatory, so yeah you can choose the order.