darkwolf777 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 if i atack directly with spirit reaper and the only card in their hand is gorz, whats the turn of events with their resolving effects? Both of their effects activate at the same time (The timing for "attacking directly successfully" and "taking battle damage" is the same, which is immediately after Damage Calculation) Chain Link 1 - Spirit Reaper (Turn Player's Mandatory Trigger Effect).Chain Link 2 - Gorz (Opponent's Optional Trigger Effect.) Resolving... Chain Link 2 - Gorz is Special Summoned with an Emissary of Darkness token.Chain Link 1 - Spirit Reaper resolves and since your opponent has no hand left, nothing can be discarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Does Spirit reaper's effect state that it CAN Attack directly when they have a monster? Or simply when it attacks directly (Due to them not having monsters)? Also are korean language cards considered OCG or TCG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Does Spirit reaper's effect state that it CAN Attack directly when they have a monster? Or simply when it attacks directly (Due to them not having monsters)? No, Spirit Reaper can only attack directly while your opponent controls no monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Spirit Reaper does not have the ability to attack directly. Its effect to force the opponent to discard only occurs when it attacks directly successfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Spirit Reaper does not have the ability to attack directly. Its effect to force the opponent to discard only occurs when it attacks directly successfully and inflicts damage this way. Fix'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Right, right. I established the damage thing in another post. I forgot to reiterate it every time its effect is mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 So if Red Nova Dragon removed itself from play to negate an attack, and during Main Phase 2 my opponent summons Light And Darkness Dragon, does Red Nova Dragon attempt to re-summon itself multiple times, or only the one time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Only once. Same as Stardust and its self-revival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Also, for General Raiho Of The Ice Barrier, if I activate the effect of a card that Tributes itself or otherwise removes itself from the field for its effect, is it still affected by Raiho's condition, since it says the effect "of a monster your opponent controls"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 They have to control it when it resolves, which means after costs ect, so Raiho wouldn't know what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 You mean something like Lonefire Blossom? If Lonefire Blossom activates its effect and Tributes itself, when resolving, Raiho will still insist your opponent discard. If they don't, Lonefire's effect is negated. The wording "your opponent controls" is not the important part. It just means it's not YOUR effect monster that will force your opponent to discard. So long as the Effect monster "activates", Raiho will force a discard or risk negation. This includes effects like Mystic Tomato, Effect Veiler, Gorz, JD, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 You mean something like Lonefire Blossom? If Lonefire Blossom activates its effect and Tributes itself, when resolving, Raiho will still insist your opponent discard. If they don't, Lonefire's effect is negated. The wording "your opponent controls" is not the important part. It just means it's not YOUR effect monster that will force your opponent to discard. So long as the Effect monster "activates", Raiho will force a discard or risk negation. This includes effects like Mystic Tomato, Effect Veiler, Gorz, JD, etc. So would the ruling be any different in the TCG? The OCG says "monster your opponent controls", whereas the TCG version says "your opponent's Effect Monster on the field".I would think that, due to the way the English version is worded, cards like Mystic Tomato and Effect Veiler would be ignored by Raiho's effect. But it also raises the question of whether or not Lonefire Blossom would be affected. Does the difference in wording change anything? Due to the wording in English, I would have to lean towards Griffin-'s explanation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Oh...then never mind. It does has to be on the field. My mistake. I just re-read the text. Only monsters that resolve on the field are affected. Lonefire Tributing itself is unaffected, but Lonefire Tributing a different Plant is. Effect Veiler and Tomato do not apply, as they resolve in the graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Does Trap Stun make Trap Monsters stop being treated as Monsters?If it does, does it last for 1 turn or do they somehow get screwed?If were for 1 turn, do they count as "Special Summoned" again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Yugi Go Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Does Trap Stun make Trap Monsters stop being treated as Monsters?If it does, does it last for 1 turn or do they somehow get screwed?If were for 1 turn, do they count as "Special Summoned" again? They're screwed. They return to the spell/trap zone as continuous traps with no effect and remain that way even after the effect of Trap Stun's effect is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Does Trap Stun make Trap Monsters stop being treated as Monsters?If it does, does it last for 1 turn or do they somehow get screwed?If were for 1 turn, do they count as "Special Summoned" again? Yes. They're screwed No. They only get Special Summoned at activation. They're already active, but no longer monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Nightshade~ Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Can a Forbidden Lance'd monster attack through Swords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Can a Forbidden Lance'd monster attack through Swords? Yes. Forbidden Lance makes it "unaffected" by Spells or Traps. This includes Continuous Spells or Traps like Swords of Revealing Light or Gravity Bind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Can I use Solem Warning to negate my opponent's Gateway of the Six? My locals is split on this at the moment, some saying no because when you activate it no special summon effect is activated, but some say yes because warning says it negates any card that "includes" special summoning in its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 i'm a bit confused about the card "Toll" does it activate every time the player declares an attack, or is it once, i' saying every time, but i want clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Can I use Solem Warning to negate my opponent's Gateway of the Six? My locals is split on this at the moment, some saying no because when you activate it no special summon effect is activated, but some say yes because warning says it negates any card that "includes" special summoning in its effect. No, you cannot use Solemn Warning to negate the activation of Gateway of the Six from the hand. You also cannot use Solemn Warning to negate the 6 Bishido Counter effect of Gateway of the Six. i'm a bit confused about the card "Toll" does it activate every time the player declares an attack, or is it once, i' saying every time, but i want clarification Each player must pay 500 Life Points to declare an attack. Toll's effect is Continuous and doesn't activate per se (i.e. It doesn't create a Chain Link). The card simply says to pay when you declare an attack, so yes, this means in order to say "I attack your X with my Y", you must pay 500 Life Points, each and every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Every attack costs 500 LP when Toll is out. Replays do not force additional payments, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Can I use the Special Summon effect of Black Garden with no plants on the field if the monster that would be Special Summoned is 0 ATK?According to lolwiki, the "destroy this card and all Plants" part is not a cost, so I don't know.. I have the feeling that not but want to be sure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 No. Destroying no monsters is not the same as destroying monsters with no ATK. At least one plant monster must be destroyed, as the ATK of the monster you target to Special Summon depends on the total ATK of the plants on the field. If you destroy plants whose combined ATK is 0, you can Special Summon a 0 ATK monster. When you activate the effect of Black Garden, the ATK of all plants on the field are added and you select a monster with ATK equal to that sum. If the combined ATK changes before the effect resolves, the target is now invalid and will not be SSed, but Garden and all plants will still be destroyed. Therefore, a Player must control a Plant for you to use Black Garden's effect. You also must have a monster in your Graveyard that can be selected by the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 if i use double edge sword technique to bring back kageki and kagemusha, do i still take damage if they are sent to the graveyard for a synchro summon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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