King of Nothing Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 How do exceed monsters work with cards that involve the level of the monster? Example - You have a rank 4 exceed monster. The opponent has gravity bind on the field. Can your rank 4 attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Still unruled. I guess we have to wait to get to know that, as well as if you can overlay Tokens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 If Double Tool AC/DC is destroyed by the effect of Power Tool Dragon, does it still destroy the other monster by it's effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 If Double Tool AC/DC is destroyed by the effect of Power Tool Dragon, does it still destroy the other monster by it's effect? The effect of "An opponent's monster that battles the equipped monster is destroyed at the end of the Damage Step." is a Trigger Effect of Double Tool AC/DC that activates at the End of the Damage Step. If "Double Tool AC/DC" is not on the field at the End of the Damage Step, then it cannot activate. Therefore, if you remove it to save Power Tool Dragon during Damage Calculation, it will not activate and cannot destroy the attacking monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Scenario: Hand: Morphtronic Celfon, Meklord Emperor WiselField: Torrential Tribute I summon Celfon, call priority on its effect, and flip TT. Can I summon Wisel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 The effect of "An opponent's monster that battles the equipped monster is destroyed at the end of the Damage Step." is a Trigger Effect of Double Tool AC/DC that activates at the End of the Damage Step. If "Double Tool AC/DC" is not on the field at the End of the Damage Step, then it cannot activate. Therefore, if you remove it to save Power Tool Dragon during Damage Calculation, it will not activate and cannot destroy the attacking monster. Does that also apply if the equipped monster is destroyed by battle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Scenario: Hand: Morphtronic Celfon, Meklord Emperor WiselField: Torrential Tribute I summon Celfon, call priority on its effect, and flip TT. Can I summon Wisel? "This card cannot be Special Summoned except from your hand when a face-up monster you control is destroyed by a card effect and sent to the Graveyard. I still have yet to know whether or not Wisel's Summoned effect here is simply a Condition or a Trigger Effect. Either way though, you'll miss the timing to Summon "Meklord Emperor Wisel" if Morphtronic Celfon summons a monster. After testing in a similar situation with Michizure instead, I was unable to activate Michizure in this situation, therefore, you wlil miss the timing to Special Summon Wisel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 "This card cannot be Special Summoned except from your hand when a face-up monster you control is destroyed by a card effect and sent to the Graveyard. I still have yet to know whether or not Wisel's Summoned effect here is simply a Condition or a Trigger Effect. Either way though, you'll miss the timing to Summon "Meklord Emperor Wisel" if Morphtronic Celfon summons a monster. So there's chance of it being possible if Celfon fails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 So there's chance of it being possible if Celfon fails? To tell you the truth, I'm not entirely sure, but if Celfon fails, then the last thing to happen that affect actual play was Torrential Tribute destroying the monsters on the field, that is of course if "shuffling the deck" is also considered a change of play that can be timed to, but I don't believe it is. Then again, the last thing to happen might just be "celfon resolving", but since it didn't actually do anything, you can't say the last thing to happen was "nothing", but as mentioned, "celfon resolving", or "deck was shuffled" may be enough. I'll try it in one of the VGs sometime. Will just have to find the right cards I can use for that... Maybe the same situation, i'll try summoning Celfon, activating its effect, chaining Raigeki Break to destroy Celfon, then see if I can still activate Michizure when Celfon fails. I'll let you know how it turns out here :o Edit: After trying it, I could not activate Michizure after Morphtronic Celfon resolved. Therefore, the "resolution of a card" or at least "shuffling the deck" counts as time/action occuring, so the to answer the question then, you will miss the timing to Special Summon Wisel regardless of whether Celfon is successful or not. Does that also apply if the equipped monster is destroyed by battle? Yes. If the monster equipped with Double Tool AC/DC is attacked during the opponent's turn and is destroyed by battle, then Double Tool AC/DC cannot activate as it would not be on the field anymore at the End of the Damage Step. I think the actual reason why Double Tool C&D doesn't work is because if the monster it is equipped with is destroyed by Battle during the opponent's turn, then Double Tool C&D's effect is no longer applied to that destroyed monster immediately after Damage Calculation. You can't apply the effects of an Equip Card that isn't equipped properly to that monster anymore :o Double Tool C&D, as an equip card, can only apply its effects while it is still equipped to a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 "This card cannot be Special Summoned except from your hand when a face-up monster you control is destroyed by a card effect and sent to the Graveyard. I still have yet to know whether or not Wisel's Summoned effect here is simply a Condition or a Trigger Effect. Either way though, you'll miss the timing to Summon "Meklord Emperor Wisel" if Morphtronic Celfon summons a monster. I checked the other Machine Emperors (on Wiki), and got very confused. Wisel says it's a Trigger (the summon), followed by Ignition (Synchro Killer), Continuous (ATK increase), and Quick (negate Spell). Skiel says it's a Summon (the summon), Ignition (Synchro Killer), Continuous (ATK increase), and Trigger (send Synchro, can attack directly. I think that's a mistake in labeling) Grannel says the same thing as Skiel, and again, I don't think its "SS a stolen Synchro" is a Trigger Effect. I've come to think of them as being Trigger effects, similar to Gorz or Tragoedia, but I haven't found any confirmation anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Can I attack The Wicked Avatar with Clear Vice Dragon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Can I attack The Wicked Avatar with Clear Vice Dragon? Of course you can. Assuming they're the only monsters on the field, Clear Vice is presently at 0, so Avatar's at 100. Clear Vice attacks, and its attack becomes twice of Avatar's 100, making it 200. Avatar readjusts its ATK to 300 and destroys Clear Vice, inflicting 100 damage to you. Unless you negate Avatar's effect, you can never destroy it in battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Can I attack The Wicked Avatar with Clear Vice Dragon? Yes, Clear Vice Dragon will gain ATK equal to double The Wicked Avatar's ATK, then The Wicked Avatar will modify its ATK to be +100 more than that. Clear Vice Dragon will lose this battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Does anyone mind explaining how Six Samurai work now? I've yet to face them post-upgrade. Also, I asked this before, but I feel like asking again. If I were to go to an official event, and used a summon chant while Synchro Summoning, chanting while pulling out the Synchro and not actually wasting any time, could I be legitimately called for stalling by my potentially annoyed opponent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Does anyone mind explaining how Six Samurai work now? I've yet to face them post-upgrade. Also, I asked this before, but I feel like asking again. If I were to go to an official event, and used a summon chant while Synchro Summoning, chanting while pulling out the Synchro and not actually wasting any time, could I be legitimately called for stalling by my potentially annoyed opponent?I can't say for sure, but I think as long as you didn't take up too much time or didn't do it to the point that you knew it was annoying your opponent, you should be fine. Them Japanese do that sort of stuff all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I've had the oddest, possibly the dumbest ruling thrown at me but here it is: Player A's Sam says you can change destruction to another Sam instead, and changes it's target to another Sam. Player B responds with Stardust effect to negate destruction and kill original Sam? >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I don't think the Samurai effect is considered a "destroying" effect, because it doesn't say "destroy the monster", it says "destroyed instead". But... I could be wrong, so if nobody else responds just go with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I tried this years ago. The effect to destroy another instead is Continuous. Shame, because if it was ignition, my Stardust would smash them to pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 The destruction is an effect. A Samurai destroyed by this effect is considered to be destroyed by a Sam's effect, not the method of destruction intended (such as destroyed in battle, etc). However, it's a Continuous Effect and doesn't start a chain, so Stardust can't chain to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Say your life points are 7900. Then a card is used that halves your life points to 3950. But then they are halved again to 1975. If they are halved again, it would be 987.5 but that's a decimal number. Is it possible for decimal life points to exist in the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 No, you round up to 1, so you'd have 988 LP. And yes, when you have 1 LP, you pay these 1/2 LP costs for nothing, as you ARE paying half a LP, but it rounds back up to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Does anyone mind explaining how Six Samurai work now? I've yet to face them post-upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 The newest Samurai (Legendary Six Samurai) have far more capacity to swarm than the original Six. -Kageki lets you Special Summon a Six Samurai when it's Normal Summoned. It has 200 ATK, but gains 1500 if you control a different Samurai. -Kizan lets you Special Summon itself when you control a Six Samurai with another name and has 1800 ATK. -Shi En is a level 5, 2500 Synchro requiring a Warrior Tuner and a Six Samurai non-tuner. It can negate an opposing S/T once per turn. Gateway of the Six is the big card. Including Grandmaster and other Samurai, Summoning twice a turn is easy, allowing you to access any Six Samurai or Shien in your deck for 4 Bushido Counters (from anywhere on your field). Likely, you can Normal Summon or Special Summon that monster and get 2 more counters on Gateway, and if you use the Six Samurai Tuner (Kagemusa), you can easily combo to bring out a Shi En. Shien's Smoke Signal is a RoTA for level 3 or below Six Samurai, such as Kageki, Kagemusa, Shinai, and Mizuho (the latter 2 can be Special Summoned if the other's on the field). Six Samurai United is a draw card that gets a Bushido counter when a Six Samurai is Normal or Specialed, up to 2, but with the ease Samurai Summon, this can easily get you two cards while increasing your swarm. In multiples, Gateway and United are pure evil, the former because ANY Six Samurai Normal or Special Summon is worth a search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Let's say my opponent has a Stardust/Prime Material Dragon and a Colossal FighterI control an Absolute Zero. I activate Enemy Controller.I Tribute Absolute Zero trying to take control of Stardust/Prime Material Dragon. What happens then?A. Do I get control of Stardust/Prime Material Dragon and Absolute Zero's effect will then destroy Colossal Fighter orB. Absolute becomes Chain 2, and my opponent is still able to Tribute Stardust/discard a card for Prime Material Dragon's effect to Chain at and negate Absolute Zero's effect?C. Something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Absolute Zero is a mandatory Trigger Effect and so is Spell Speed 1. Therefore, it won't be added onto the chain when it's Tributed as a cost (most effects miss the timing because of this), so Scenario A is correct. After Enemy Controller resolves, giving you control of the targeted monster, Absolute Zero (or even Sangan) will activate because it's effect is mandatory, destroying all opposing monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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