Master White Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 But another thing is that fishborg himself would end up in the Graveyard after you discarded it, so it'd be able to Summon itself...and it don't say it can't be activated from your hand... But thank you on the other factors. I shall now actually utilize call of the haunted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 What you are thinking of is the rules of cards such as Zombie Master, which can discard a Zombie, and Special Summon that same zombie. In that case, it is because the cost is paid before a target is selected. However, even in that case, you need a valid target already in the graveyard. Machina Fortress can be Summoned for the same cost from either the hand or the Graveyard, allowing you to discard itself and another Machine to Special Summon. This is because Fortress can be Summoned from either the hand OR the Graveyard, without regard to where it was originally when the effect activated. Fishborg's effect can only be activated from the graveyard, because its effect states it is Summoned from the Graveyard. If it is in your hand, it is not in the Graveyard. The action cannot take place if the basic condition (Fishborg being in the Graveyard) is not fulfilled PRIOR to activating the effect. Similar in principle to Zombie Master and Lumina, an effect cannot be activated if the condition, such as a valid target, is not present at the time of activation, even if activating it and paying the cost will then enable the action to be performed. The game cannot assume the card you discard is Fishborg any more than Zombie Master can assume the Monster you discard is a level four or below Zombie. Likewise, if you have a card that prevents Special Summons, you cannot attempt to Special Summon, even if doing the Summon (like a Synchro Summon using Fossil Dyna) will remove the restriction. To activate any effect, the activation conditions must be met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 People, clarification for Colossal Arms OTK... [spoiler=It works] Blue text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 So, I don't need to deck another colossal. That's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Wait, so now there has been classified as a new Burn Damage OTK? Just Great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 if it is your opponent's turn, they attack a light monster you control, you use Honest's effect to raise your monster's ATK, can your opponent then decide to abort the attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 if it is your opponent's turn, they attack a light monster you control, you use Honest's effect to raise your monster's ATK, can your opponent then decide to abort the attack? No, they cannot. The only time a replay can occur is during the Battle Step, when an effect activates after the turn player declared the attack, but before the Damage Step, which modifies the monsters on the opponent's side of the field. Activating Honest does not change any of currently available targets on the field. Also, Honest activates during the Damage Step, where its too late for a replay to occur. Replays occur during the Battle Step when the attack is declared, before the Damage Step begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 if you use Book of Moon on an Attack position Dream Clown does it's effect activate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 No. Dream Clown must be faceup for its effect to apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebihp2007 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 You know Stardust Dragon . you can (1) tribute it, (2) negate a card, and (3) Special Summon it during the End Phase. Now, I know that the 1st part is a cost and the 2nd part is its effect, but what's the 3rd part considered? Is it considered an effect? For instance, if Stardust negates something, then during the EP it attempts to be Summoned, can the effect of Perfect Herald be chained during the EP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 You know Stardust Dragon . you can (1) tribute it, (2) negate a card, and (3) Special Summon it during the End Phase. Now, I know that the 1st part is a cost and the 2nd part is its effect, but what's the 3rd part considered? Is it considered an effect? For instance, if Stardust negates something, then during the EP it attempts to be Summoned, can the effect of Perfect Herald be chained during the EP? Quick: You can Tribute this card to negate the activation of a Spell Card, Trap Card, or Effect Monster's effect that destroys a card(s) on the field, and destroy that card. Trigger: If you negate an effect this way, you can Special Summon this card from your Graveyard during the End Phase. Yes, Herald of Perfection can negate Stardust Dragon's effect which Special Summons itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 i guess so since both are spell speed 2, but im not entirely sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebihp2007 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Quick: You can Tribute this card to negate the activation of a Spell Card, Trap Card, or Effect Monster's effect that destroys a card(s) on the field, and destroy that card. Trigger: If you negate an effect this way, you can Special Summon this card from your Graveyard during the End Phase. Yes, Herald of Perfection can negate Stardust Dragon's effect which Special Summons itself. Thanks for this clarification .. Ran into it while testing the Perfect Herald Deck and lost because my opponent said I couldn't negate Stardust, since the Special Summon is not considered an effect activation or something like that .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 i guess so since both are spell speed 2, but im not entirely sure Trigger Effects (which for Stardust Dragon is the revival effect it has) are Spell Speed 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Karakuri Bushi mdl 6318 "Muzanichiha": Effect: This card must attack if able. If this faceup attack position card is selected as an attack target, switch it to defense position. If another "Karakuri" monster on the field is destroyed, this card gains 400 ATK. What happens if two other Karakuri are destroyed simultaneously, such as by the effect of, say, Icarus Attack? Does it gain 400 or 800? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Trigger Effects (which for Stardust Dragon is the revival effect it has) are Spell Speed 1.so, yea Herald of Perfection can Negate Stardust's revival effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebihp2007 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Karakuri Bushi mdl 6318 "Muzanichiha": Effect: This card must attack if able. If this faceup attack position card is selected as an attack target, switch it to defense position. If another "Karakuri" monster on the field is destroyed, this card gains 400 ATK. What happens if two other Karakuri are destroyed simultaneously, such as by the effect of, say, Icarus Attack? Does it gain 400 or 800? I'm pretty sure it would only gain 400 ATK, as it doesn't say "for each monster destroyed"; best example I can give right now (there are better, but I can't think) is Garoth, LS Warrior (which activates its effect whenever a card is sent from the top of the Deck to the Grave); it doesn't matter if multiple cards are sent, its effect only activates once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Karakuri Bushi mdl 6318 "Muzanichiha": Effect: This card must attack if able. If this faceup attack position card is selected as an attack target, switch it to defense position. If another "Karakuri" monster on the field is destroyed, this card gains 400 ATK. What happens if two other Karakuri are destroyed simultaneously, such as by the effect of, say, Icarus Attack? Does it gain 400 or 800? It will only gain 400 ATK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDKMRV Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 I SS Vice Dragon, can my opponent play Bottomless Traphole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 I SS Vice Dragon, can my opponent play Bottomless Traphole? If you Special Summon it to the field using its own effect, it will be Summoned with 1000 ATK. You cannot Bottomless Trap Hole it. You can Inferno Reckless Summon it though :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 This isn't really a question of gameplay, but more of rarity. Between ultimate and secret rares, which are generally rarer or more valuable? I tend to get both of them at the same ratio, and it's been unanswered to me for some time. Basically, Common Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 This isn't really a question of gameplay, but more of rarity. Between ultimate and secret rares, which are generally rarer or more valuable? I tend to get both of them at the same ratio, and it's been unanswered to me for some time. Basically, Common<Rare<Super<Ultra<Secret<Ulti<Ghost, or what? Common is lowest, having no foil whatsoever. Rare is next, with silver name. Super comes next, with a holo picture, no name foil. Ultra is next, with gold name, holo picture. Secret is next, with sparkled foil on name and sparkle holo. Ghost is last. I have never seen one, so I cannot describe, but only one card in the set has the chance to be a ghost rare, typically the cover card. Ultimate is a strange case. Every rare in the pack, at last check, can also come as an ultimate rare. An ultimate rare is worth more than the usual rarity, but its actual value heavily depends on the value and rarity of the card itself. An ultimate rare that's normally a regular rare is worth less than an ultimate rare that's normally an ultra rare. I do not believe a Secret Rare is capable of coming as an ultimate, but I have not confirmed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 v.s. Secutor's effect activates at the end of the Battle Phase.LaDD negates it.Does Secutor go off again and again until LaDD can't negate anymore? I believe it would, but idk really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 I think Secutor would only try to activate once, so LADD would negate it once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Since Secutor's effect is mandatory, you can't select to activate it, and therefore its effect could only happen once. That's what I think, anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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