Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[evilfusion]

how does shrink works against the following:

 

Emissary of Darkness Token?

 

A fluff token powered up by Solidarity or a field spell?

 

Evil hero dark gaia or Chimeratech fortress dragon which i think states "its original ATK becomes the monster's used to spec summon"?

 

A Phantom of chaos once it has activated its effect to copy the original ATK of an effect monster?

 

 

ALSO, if i have Imperial Iron Wall Active very early in the duel and my opp later on summons Caius, can he still activate its effect? and if it's possible the card is sent to the grave right?

 

As detailed as possible Pls and THNKu

 

1- It's ATK is halved.

 

2- Its ATK doesn't change. Fluff Token's original ATK is 0. Modifiers are applied normally.

 

3- Their ATK goes to 0, and remains 0 permanently.

 

4- I think it's ATK is just halved.

 

5- He cannot activate Caius' effect because cards cannot be removed from play. Note that RFGing a card is ALL Caius does. It does not destroy, so the card will not go to the grave.

[Da Frost]

Actually, since Caius's effect is mandatory, it will still activate if Imperial Iron Wall is on the field. But since cards can't be removed from play, his effect will dissapear.

[darkwolf777]

1- It's ATK is halved.

 

2- Its ATK doesn't change. Fluff Token's original ATK is 0. Modifiers are applied normally.

 

3- Their ATK goes to 0, and remains 0 permanently.

 

4- I think it's ATK is just halved.

 

5- He cannot activate Caius' effect because cards cannot be removed from play. Note that RFGing a card is ALL Caius does. It does not destroy, so the card will not go to the grave.

 

For 1, The ATK of the Emissary of Darkness Token will become 0. The Original ATK of tokens are printed on the cards that Summoned them. In the effect of Gorz, The "Emissary of Darkness Token" is a Level 7 LIGHT Fairy Monster with an original ATK/DEF of ?/?. Because it's Original ATK is ?, Shink will set its ATK to 0.

 

For 4, The Phantom of Chaos will have it's ATK reduced to 0 as well. The ATK change is an Ignition Effect, not a Continuous one, meaning the ATK change is applied ONLY when the effect resolves, meaning it does not get "re-applied" if anything were to happen. Phantom of Chaos' Original ATK is 0, so half of 0 is 0.

[El-Rrey]

Just a small question: if Book of Moon is chained to Celestia, Lightsworn Angel's effect, may i know what happens?

 

A guy says that you mill and then the effect is negated whereas i state that the effect goes on, without any trouble.

[Darj]

Hello. I'm back with more questions:

 

1)"Iron Core of Koa'ki Meiru": Can I draw my card during my Draw Phase and THEN decide to discard or not a "Koa'ki Meiru" monster to retrieve the Core from my Graveyard; OR am I forced to take such decision BEFORE drawing? I ask because sometimes, depending on which card I draw, I may or not need the core to make my plays.

 

2)"Gold Sarcophagus": If I remove from play a monster with this card, then I Special Summon the monster with cards such as D.D.R., and then it is removed from play again (by "Macro Cosmos", etc.), can I still add that monster to my hand during my 2nd Standby Phase by the effect of the Sarcophagus?

 

3)This question is about a custom card I have in mind: Let's suppose a Trap card with the next effect is released:

Name: Self-Destruct

Trap Card

Type: Normal

Effect: Destroy 1 Machine-Type monster you control and 1 card your opponent controls. Then, inflict damage to your opponent equal to half the total ATK of the destroyed Machine-Type monster(s).

 

Now, if I destroy a "The Big Saturn" my opponent controls with this card and I choose to inflict damage, does the burning effect of the Saturn activates, or it misses the Timing because the destruction is NOT the last thing to happen?

[.Nu-13]

Hello. I'm back with more questions:

 

1)"Iron Core of Koa'ki Meiru": Can I draw my card during my Draw Phase and THEN decide to discard or not a "Koa'ki Meiru" monster to retrieve the Core from my Graveyard; OR am I forced to take such decision BEFORE drawing? I ask because sometimes, depending on which card I draw, I may or not need the core to make my plays.

 

Yes, you can. You can either add it and skip draw, or draw, and then retrieve core by discarding.

 

2)"Gold Sarcophagus": If I remove from play a monster with this card, then I Special Summon the monster with cards such as D.D.R., and then it is removed from play again (by "Macro Cosmos", etc.), can I still add that monster to my hand during my 2nd Standby Phase by the effect of the Sarcophagus?

 

We answered that question before no, you can;t add it, because its no bounded to Sarco at that moment

 

3)This question is about a custom card I have in mind: Let's suppose a Trap card with the next effect is released:

Name: Self-Destruct

Trap Card

Type: Normal

Effect: Destroy 1 Machine-Type monster you control and 1 card your opponent controls. Then, inflict damage to your opponent equal to half the total ATK of the destroyed Machine-Type monster(s).

 

Now, if I destroy a "The Big Saturn" my opponent controls with this card and I choose to inflict damage, does the burning effect of the Saturn activates, or it misses the Timing because the destruction is NOT the last thing to happen?

 

Effect will miss the timing. The timing for Saturn's burn effect is when it's destroyed. IF something happens later, effect misses the timimg

 

Hope I helped :)

[Darj]

Thanks for your answers.

It is great to know that I can draw the card and then discard for the Core.

[darkwolf777]

Effect will miss the timing. The timing for Saturn's burn effect is when it's destroyed. IF something happens later, effect misses the timimg

 

First off, you cannot "Choose" to inflict damage with your made up card "Self-Destruct". Inflicting Damage is MANDATORY considering your card text.

 

Next, the effect of "The Big Saturn" that inflicts Damage when it is destroyed by an opponent's card's effect is also MANDATORY. It cannot miss the timing. Therefore, after "Self-Destruct" resolves, "The Big Saturn" will activate and inflict Damage to both players.

 

Frex, for something to be "Optional" the word "can" must be within the card's effect. For "Self-Destruct", it would have to say "Then, you can inflict damage to your opponent...". Without that word, the effect MUST activate, and can never miss the timing.

[evilfusion]

Whoops, I forgot Caius is mandatory.

 

And Shrink's one of those cards that confuses me with the rulings.

 

Just a small question: if Book of Moon is chained to Celestia, Lightsworn Angel's effect, may i know what happens?

 

A guy says that you mill and then the effect is negated whereas i state that the effect goes on, without any trouble.

 

You are correct. The Effect of Celestia does not require it to be faceup, and the cards are targeted on activation. Your opponent chains Book and flips Celestia facedown, and Celestia's effect resolves, destroying the targeted cards.

[darkwolf777]

And Shrink's one of those cards that confuses me with the rulings.

 

Remember, the effect of Shrink is simply "The target card's ATK becomes half it's original ATK". So in regards to Shrink...

 

1) First, simply calculate what "Half the Original Attack" is, and set the target's ATK to that value. Original ATK is always printed on the card itself (or for a Token on the Card that Special Summoned them). ? ATK is considered 0 for Shrink and half of 0 is 0.

 

2) Next, re-apply any CONTINUOUS Increases/Decreases of ATK to the target of Shrink. ATK gains achieved when a Trigger/Ignition effect resolved previously are not considered Continuous, despite whether or not their cards' effects "last until the end of the turn".

 

Because "Shrink" affects overall ATK, ATK gains of cards that are have previously resolved vanish (such as Rush Recklessly, etc).

 

Hope that helps some.

[Expelsword]

I have a question...

 

How could Konami allow True Six Samurai to exist?

 

They are 2x worse than Blackwings!

[-Berserker-]

If I suicide a Reptilianne Gorgon into a Solidarity-boosted opponent, does it's ATK becomes 0 or 800?

[evilfusion]

Because Reptiliannes tend to say "ATK becomes 0", not "original ATK", the boosts will disappear and the total ATK will become 0.

 

Right now, I assume the rulings are the same as with Limiter Removal, where all effects factoring into the ATK before it became 0 no longer modify the ATK score even if the values change (like Mage Power). Perhaps darkwolf can confirm?

[Luis El Lincer]

Remember, the effect of Shrink is simply "The target card's ATK becomes half it's original ATK". So in regards to Shrink...

 

1) First, simply calculate what "Half the Original Attack" is, and set the target's ATK to that value. Original ATK is always printed on the card itself (or for a Token on the Card that Special Summoned them). ? ATK is considered 0 for Shrink and half of 0 is 0.

 

2) Next, re-apply any CONTINUOUS Increases/Decreases of ATK to the target of Shrink. ATK gains achieved when a Trigger/Ignition effect resolved previously are not considered Continuous, despite whether or not their cards' effects "last until the end of the turn".

 

Because "Shrink" affects overall ATK, ATK gains of cards that are have previously resolved vanish (such as Rush Recklessly, etc).

 

Hope that helps some.

 

so would it be accurate to say that shrink will simply reverse the ATK of all tokens to 0 regardless of any atk boost that my be happening? i'm still confused about CHIMERATECH because the card clearly says its original atk becomes it doesnt say this card gains atk so if it's its original Atk thats affected shrink should just halve that instead of becoming it 0...

[evilfusion]

so would it be accurate to say that shrink will simply reverse the ATK of all tokens to 0 regardless of any atk boost that my be happening? i'm still confused about CHIMERATECH because the card clearly says its original atk becomes it doesnt say this card gains atk so if it's its original Atk thats affected shrink should just halve that instead of becoming it 0...

 

Not ALL tokens. Just ones that aren't given definite ATK scores upon summon. The Emissary Token's ATK (printed on Gorz) says it's ?/?. Others, like a Rose Token, has an original ATK of 800.

 

I'm perplexed by that as well, but it's listed under Shrink's ruling. Chimeratech Overdragon's printed ATK is ?, and Fortress' printed is 0. But they both say their Original ATK is changed upon summon, but Shrink turns them to 0. Then what is the point of even saying "The Original ATK is X"?

[Mugendramon]

Okay... here goes...

 

If I activate... a Spell Card. My opponent plays Magic Jammer. If I play MST in chain to Magic Jammer and destroy the Spell I used, would it still be negated?

 

This might be a stupid question, but still. Please.

[evilfusion]

Magic Jammer is a Counter Trap, and thus is Spell Speed 3. MST is a Quick Play and is Spell Speed 2. You cannot chain a card of a lower Spell Speed to a card of a higher Spell Speed. The only card(s) that are Spell Speed 3 are Counter Traps.

 

So the move proposed is impossible.

[El-Rrey]

You are correct. The Effect of Celestia does not require it to be faceup, and the cards are targeted on activation. Your opponent chains Book and flips Celestia facedown, and Celestia's effect resolves, destroying the targeted cards.

 

Thanks for the answer!

Let me give you this cookie ^^

[darkwolf777]

Because Reptiliannes tend to say "ATK becomes 0", not "original ATK", the boosts will disappear and the total ATK will become 0.

 

Right now, I assume the rulings are the same as with Limiter Removal, where all effects factoring into the ATK before it became 0 no longer modify the ATK score even if the values change (like Mage Power). Perhaps darkwolf can confirm?

 

Correct, the overall ATK is changed by Reptilianne Gorgon. Since a monster's overall ATK is contributed by its own ATK plus any modifiers, Reptilianne Gorgon will cause any cards modifying its attack to also become 0 for the target as well so long as the target monster is affected by Reptilianne Gorgon (which is so long as it is face-up on the field).

[.Nu-13]

|Swiftstrike Elite Engineer|37|VNDM|Machine/Synchro/Effect|LIGHT|8||2500|500|"Swiftstrike Prototype" + 1 or more non-Tuner monster The effects of all other face-up Effect Monsters are negated. When this card is Summoned, select 1 "Swiftstrike" monster from your Graveyard and Special Summon it. All "Swiftstrike" monsters you control gain 400 ATK. During your second Standby Phase after you Summoned this card, send this card to the Graveyard and Special Summon 1 "Swiftstrike Prototype" from your Graveyard.|

 

2 of them are on the field. 1 on my, 1 on opponet's. What happens? Whose effect gets negated? Or they cause infinite loop?

[evilfusion]

The one that was on the field first negates the second one. Same as Skill Drain vs Jinzo.

[darkwolf777]

|Swiftstrike Elite Engineer|37|VNDM|Machine/Synchro/Effect|LIGHT|8||2500|500|"Swiftstrike Prototype" + 1 or more non-Tuner monster The effects of all other face-up Effect Monsters are negated. When this card is Summoned, select 1 "Swiftstrike" monster from your Graveyard and Special Summon it. All "Swiftstrike" monsters you control gain 400 ATK. During your second Standby Phase after you Summoned this card, send this card to the Graveyard and Special Summon 1 "Swiftstrike Prototype" from your Graveyard.|

 

2 of them are on the field. 1 on my, 1 on opponet's. What happens? Whose effect gets negated? Or they cause infinite loop?

 

The one that was on the field first will negate the second one that appeared after.

 

If both are summoned simultaneously or if they were both face-down and later flipped face up simultaneously by a card effect (like Ceasefire), then i'm pretty sure it is presumed that the Turn Player's would be the one considered flipped up first in terms of which Continuous Effect will be in effect and which would be negated.

[BDKMRV]

Does my opponent reveal both cards picked up by Crystal Seer and also the added card from its effect?

 

And if I play Bait Doll on Solemn Judgment, then does Bait Doll return back to the deck?

[.Nu-13]

Does my opponent reveal both cards picked up by Crystal Seer and also the added card from its effect?

 

Yes

 

And if I play Bait Doll on Solemn Judgment, then does Bait Doll return back to the deck?

 

No, Solemn's activation gets forced, so opponent loses half LP, and Bait Doll goes to grave

[Giant Mushroom?]

If a card is sent to the field to the graveyard, does it count as destroyed?

 

like if i send arcane barrier and i wanna put its spell counters on magical citadel, Does it ocunt as destroyed so its counters go on magical citadel?

 

Thanks