~British Soul~ Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 cheers for the help, i was just unsure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Can you "bounce" tokens? I.e Using Brionac on a token? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥告げ口心臓♥ Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Can you "bounce" tokens? I.e Using Brionac on a token? You can bounce Tokens as part of an effect but not as a cost. So yes, you can use Brionac on a Token. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Tokens can be bounced as a cost, although I'm not sure how many cards bounce as a cost. Tokens can't be used if you're specifically told to "send to graveyard" as a cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Tokens can't be bounced for cost. Realized this yesterday on WC10. I had Phantom Skyblaster and Skybalster Token on the field. I activated Ally Genex Birdman's effect to SS it. Only Phantom could be bounced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 All right, then I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Can I chain barrel behind the door to Graverobber's self-burn effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 No. Barrel must chain to the card upon activation, and at the time of activation, there is no guarantee you'll be taking damage at all. The same is true of Power Bond. Barrel must chain to a card that is going to deal damage upon that card's resolution, such as Ring of Destruction, Magic Cylinder, Hate Buster, etc, and will not work on cards that won't deal damage immediately (Graverobber, Power Bond) or might not deal damage at all. Ceasefire is an interesting case. If all monsters on the field are facedown and/or all faceup monsters are Normal monsters, Barrel cannot be used, even if there are Effect monsters facedown. However, if there is at least one Effect monster faceup, Barrel can be used, because Ceasefire is certain to inflict damage judging by the present state of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 If Bait Doll forces the activation of a card that I can't pay the cost for, what happens? Does Red Dragon Archfiend target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDKMRV Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Bait Doll will destroy it regardless. RDA does not target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 If Bait Doll forces the activation of a card that I can't pay the cost for, what happens? The player must pay the cost of the card. If they are unable to, then the timing of activation is considered incorrect and the card is negated and destroyed. Does Red Dragon Archfiend target? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 If I use Dragon Knight Draco-Equiste's effect to gain Stardust Dragon's ability, when I send him him to the Grave to negate a monster destruction, can be be returned during the End Phase? I'm pretty sure when he hits the grave, his effect becomes innactive to it'd be a "no", but I just want to make sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 You are correct. Draco loses the effect to return while in the graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 no you can't, because when it hits the grave DKDE becomes DKDE again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 If I use Dragon Knight Draco-Equiste's effect to gain Stardust Dragon's ability, when I send him him to the Grave to negate a monster destruction, can be be returned during the End Phase? I'm pretty sure when he hits the grave, his effect becomes innactive to it'd be a "no", but I just want to make sure. Dragon Knight Draco-Equiste will not have its effect while in the Graveyard, so it cannot activate during the End Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ReBeL Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 why is Morphin Jar #2 unlimited. o also how does the timing of tragodeia and gorz work if field is empty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Morphing Jar 2 is unlimited because it's annoying, but hardly banworthy. It returns all monsters to the deck and then pick up cards til you get the same number of monsters returned, which you summon. Unlike Cyber Jar, the cards that couldn't be summoned go to the graveyard, and you play the monsters facedown, and unless you run a very S/T heavy deck or high level monsters, you'll usually lose, on average, 3 cards. Gorz can only be activated when your field is empty. After you take battle or effect damage, you Special Summon it and activate the corresponding effect. Tragoedia is right after you take battle damage, regardless of your present field. Did you have a more specific question regarding Gorz or Trag? I might be misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ReBeL Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 What about Darksoul? Was its ruling clarified already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHN. Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 This is a maybe obvious question. (thanks evilfusion and darkwolf btw) If I activate Gold Sarco on any random monster, and then I activate Return from the different dimension, when it's removed in the End Phase, do I still get the monster I removed with Gold Sarco? Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 No, you don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHN. Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 K, thanks. Can you please explain why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 You only get the card if it was removed via Gold Sarc's effect. It was removed from the RFG zone, so it is no longer tied to Gold Sarc, and it's only back RFG'd because of another effect. Gold Sarc's effect no longer applies to that card. So no, you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHN. Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Oh, ok thanks, I didn't think it was tied to sarco still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis El Lincer Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 how does shrink works against the following: Emissary of Darkness Token? A fluff token powered up by Solidarity or a field spell? Evil hero dark gaia or Chimeratech fortress dragon which i think states "its original ATK becomes the monster's used to spec summon"? A Phantom of chaos once it has activated its effect to copy the original ATK of an effect monster? ALSO, if i have Imperial Iron Wall Active very early in the duel and my opp later on summons Caius, can he still activate its effect? and if it's possible the card is sent to the grave right? As detailed as possible Pls and THNKu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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