Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Expelsword]

Oh nice, well that's fantastic :D

 

5th Errata Lore: SDMA-EN025: All "Gravekeeper's" monsters gain 500 ATK and DEF. Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be removed from play. Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be affected by card effects, except for their own effects.

 

In this case, it will follow the OCG rules and correct, you cannot choose a monster in the Graveyard to Special Summon.

 

I should go put a disclaimer on that post then~

 

 

Stardust Dragon should still sliiiide around it, right?

Although it sounds like Majestic is out

[darkwolf777]

Wow, that's a nice errata. Very clear on rulings that way.

 

That and it should follow the original OCG rulings now, not the ones TCG had been using for years.

 

Stardust Dragon should still sliiiide around it, right?

Although it sounds like Majestic is out

 

Correct, since Stardust Dragon affects itself, Necrovalley will not negate it.

 

With the new wording, the effect isn't negated anymore, but the monsters in the Graveyard are simply "unaffected". So for that, the Majestic would still be returned to the Extra Deck, but no Startdust/RDA would be Special Summoned.

 

That still leaves GB Hunter though :<

[Expelsword]

That and it should follow the original OCG rulings now, not the ones TCG had been using for years.

 

 

 

Correct, since Stardust Dragon affects itself, Necrovalley will not negate it.

 

With the new wording, the effect isn't negated anymore, but the monsters in the Graveyard are simply "unaffected". So for that, the Majestic would still be returned to the Extra Deck, but no Startdust/RDA would be Special Summoned.

 

That still leaves GB Hunter though :<

 

I'll use Wicked Rebirth instead

[evilfusion]

GB Hunter? Since it only says "deck" wouldn't Majestic still go back because it's specifically returning to the "Extra Deck"?

[darkwolf777]

GB Hunter? Since it only says "deck" wouldn't Majestic still go back because it's specifically returning to the "Extra Deck"?

 

Just because cards do not state "Extra Deck" doesn't mean Fusions/Synchros are not affected to these kinds of effects. GB Hunter will apply to Fusions/Synchros that return to the Extra Deck as well (such as Neo-Spacian Fusions and Majestics). Also, cards that would return a Fusion/Synchro to the Hand cannot be used either since that would also count as "returning to the Deck" in regards to Fusion/Synchro monsters (so you cannot CED a Fusion/Synchro while GB Hunter is on the field).

 

Also see cards like "Chain Destruction". Although it does not say "Extra Deck", Fusions and Synchros are valid targets. If a Fusion/Synchro is affected, you WILL search the Extra Deck for those cards and destroy them (instead of the Hand/Main Deck).

 

What cards have you been using that say "Deck" that you feel "Extra Deck" isn't included?

[Da Frost]

Future Fusion...

[darkwolf777]

Future Fusion...

 

I guess it depends on the nature of the card. I look around at several different cards and "Deck" seems to work in various ways.

 

Cards like Pot of Avarice, Chain Destruction, and GB Hunter are ruled to affect Extra Deck Monsters as well.

 

Cards like Deck Lockdown and Future Fusion do not.

 

There doesn't seem to be any clear line I can figure atm >_>;

[evilfusion]

Most cards that say "deck" refer to the Main Deck, and cards that affect the Extra Deck, state the "Extra Deck". While I'm probably wrong on GB Hunter, due to how it's supposed to work, most cards that involve searching or destroying/sending cards in the deck are only supposed to affect the Main Deck.

 

Future Fusion only works on the Main Deck, of course.

 

Cards that return others to the hand or deck, such as Phoenix Wing Wind Blast, Compulsory, and Pot of Avarice can be used on Synchros and Fusions because they are valid targets, but since those cards do not go into the hand or Main Deck, they go to the Extra Deck. Pot of Avarice has a ruling because of that, disallowing you from using it if you have under 2 cards in your deck, if I am not mistaken. This is all fine and good.

 

Chain Destruction works on Synchros and Fusions? Huh, I didn't know that.

 

Foolish Burial works only on the Main Deck. Almost every search card only affects the main deck. So maybe I took the Extra vs Main argument too far in mentioning GB Hunter. It's difficult to come up with an example of "returning" cards to the deck that wouldn't apply to Synchros in the same sense it would for other cards.

[darkwolf777]

So maybe the rule is: When returning cards TO the Deck, Fusion/Synchros are valid. When attempting to remove cards or perform an action FROM the deck, "Deck" refers to the Main Deck only.

 

Think that fits for a general rule?

[evilfusion]

Sounds right.

[darkwolf777]

Well, let's keep it that way for now and hammer out the details when we find some exceptions x.o

[Manjoume Thunder]

Ryko makes cards like Dimensional Alchemist miss the timing, right?

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

If i have Necrovalley and my opponent has a Colossal Fighter and i destroy it by battle

can it use it's effect?

Can my opponent use Plaguespreader Zombie if Necrovalley is face-up?

[-Griffin]

Ryko makes cards like Dimensional Alchemist miss the timing, right?

 

I think not. iirc, both of Ryko's effects are treated as having happened at the same time.

 

@Seph, iirc, Valley's latest errata says they're effected by their own effects, regardless of targeting.

[.Nu-13]

Is the last part of Majestic's effects (returning to Extra Deck, summoning RDA/SDD from grave) is the same effect? If yes, does Necrovalley stop it?

[Manjoume Thunder]

I think not. iirc, both of Ryko's effects are treated as having happened at the same time.

 

:o

 

Anyone else? I want to be sure.

[.Nu-13]

Yes, it misses the timing. I had the same situation at last locals, and we established that both of Ryko's effects happen at the same time. So, Alchemist missess the timing

[Mysty]

Yes, it misses the timing. I had the same situation at last locals, and we established that both of Ryko's effects happen at the same time. So, Alchemist missess the timing

 

That doesn't make any sense. If the events happen at the same time, then the last thing to have happened was Rkyo destroying Alchemist, so Alchemist shouldn't miss the timing.

[evilfusion]

1- Alchemist will miss the timing. Ryko's effects do NOT happen simultaneously. You either destroy or don't destroy, then you mill 3. They're in separate sentences, so they happen separately.

 

2- Colossal Fighter can revive itself, but not other Warriors, due to Necrovalley's new wording.

 

3- Returning a Majestic is mandatory. It will happen regardless of Necrovalley. But you can't Special Summon a Stardust/RDA due to Necrovalley, so you won't.

[byak]

Ryko makes cards like Dimensional Alchemist miss the timing, right?

 

Yes.

[darkwolf777]

Is the last part of Majestic's effects (returning to Extra Deck, summoning RDA/SDD from grave) is the same effect? If yes, does Necrovalley stop it?

 

Because of the new errata for Necrovalley, Necrovalley no longer negates effects. Prior to the new errata, the Majestic's effects would've been negated and they would stay on the field. Thanks to the new wording, which follows OCG rulings more closely, the Majestic will return, but the Stardust/RDA will not be Special Summoned.

[burnpsy]

King Tiger Wanghu and Future Visions are both in play on the same player's side of the field. Someone Normal Summons a monster with 1400 or less ATK. What happens?

 

Does Black Garden still halve the ATK of summoned monsters if Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo/Archlord Kristya/Vanity's Fiend is on the field? Can Royal Oppression negate the token-generating effect?

[evilfusion]

Both effects are mandatory. The player controlling those effects decides which is Chain Link 1 or 2. If Wangu is chosen as Chain Link 1, Visions will remove it (and spare it), otherwise, Wanghu kills it (and spares its removal).

 

Yes, it will always halve the ATK/DEF of summoned monsters, whether or not a Token is summoned or even summonable.

 

Yes, Oppression can negate the effect.

[.Nu-13]

If Necrovalley (new errata) is on the field, and my opponent uses DAD's effect, he can't remove a card, so nothing happens. Yes or no?

[Mysty]

If Necrovalley (new errata) is on the field, and my opponent uses DAD's effect, he can't remove a card, so nothing happens. Yes or no?

 

Correct. I'm pretty sure the "players can't remove from play cards from Graveyards" line was on the old copy too.

Technically, it doesn't matter which Necrovalley is on the field; you have to use the new errata anyway.