Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Buttercup]

If a Continuous S/T is removed from the field, its effect dissapears.

[Zauls]

thought so. Thanks. I was thinking of using Prohibition in Gol'gar Spam.

[Expelsword]

1. Do "XX-Saber" monsters count as "X-Saber" monsters?

 

2. Can you use Judgement of Thunder after summoning via Batteryman Micro-Cells effect?

(Assuming it is flipped by battle)

[darkwolf777]

1. Do "XX-Saber" monsters count as "X-Saber" monsters?

 

Yes.

 

2. Can you use Judgement of Thunder after summoning via Batteryman Micro-Cells effect?

(Assuming it is flipped by battle)

 

You cannot activate Judgment of Thunder during the Damage Step.

[.Nu-13]

Can I trigger XX-Saber Darkskoul's effect each time it hits the grave? And what if it's RFP'd? Can i still activate its effect?

[darkwolf777]

Can I trigger XX-Saber Darkskoul's effect each time it hits the grave? And what if it's RFP'd? Can i still activate its effect?

 

I still don't understand the Ruling from the other topic. As explained in the "From the Head Judge" topic, Darksoul can only work once of two ways:

 

A: If "If this card was sent to the Graveyard" is the trigger, it will activate when it is sent to the Graveyard. If it resolves successfully at that time, you will be able to search during the End Phase. In this way, you will be able to search multiple times up to the number of times Darksoul resolved successfully that turn. These searches do not create chains and cannot be chained to since Darksoul already resolved successfully.

 

or

 

B: If "If this card was sent to the Graveyard" is a CONDITION and "During the End Phase" is the Trigger, then Darksoul will activate and resolve during the End Phase. It will only activate ONCE regardless of how many times it was sent to the Graveyard that turn.

 

Next, during the first post, it seems that Darksoul was ruled under option B listed above. Due to this, Darksoul SHOULD only activate and resolve only ONCE regardless of the number of times it hits the Graveyard. The thing that bothers me is the second post that Professional Duelist posted stating:

 

"Furthermore, XX-Saber Darksoul can still trigger multiple times. So don’t be afraid to set up a huge play with XX-Saber Darksoul and XX-Saber Faultroll, even if you bring out multiple Synchro Monsters by Tuning X-Saber Fulhelmknight to XX-Saber Darksoul several times, you can search your deck for every single time XX-Saber Darksoul hit the Graveyard."

 

Now, this is somehow combining the best parts of A with the best parts of B. IT SHOULD NOT WORK THIS WAY AT ALL. In any case, this was the US Head Judges decision to still allow multiple uses which i'm going to say is easily WRONG right now, though people will play it that way because he said it works that way. This will be BKSS if its not changed to either A or B exactly as I listed it.

 

In any case, if I were the Judge and it was ruled as B, then I would say No, Darksoul only works ONCE regardless of how many times it was sent to the Graveyard that turn. Also, if B is the ruling, then If Darksoul is removed from the Graveyard in any way, then you DO NOT get to search your deck. Darksoul must still be in the Graveyard to be considered to have been sent to the Graveyard as it will reset that condition because it was sent elsewhere as the last action.

[.Nu-13]

Hmm.... so still unsure :/

[darkwolf777]

Well, as the judge puts it, "He wanted to make Darksoul users happy" so he left the multiple uses of Darksol intact even after the rule change from the Japanese Head Judge stating it activates during the End Phase. Eventually that should be reversed, and if not, it will be BKSS forever as it makes no sense otherwise x.o;

 

Besides, Darksoul is a TCG-made card, you might as well play it the US Judges are ruling it before its rulings get rearranged again (if they do.). Whenever Darksoul appears in the OCG, I expect it to be ruled the B way since the Japanese Head Judge already stated the trigger is "During the End Phase". The way it is now, Darksoul is at its prime x.o; It'll all go downhill once it is ruled as B (if that happens, though I expect that out of the video games once it appears in them).

[Buttercup]

Does Legendary Jujitsu Master's effect target?

[.Nu-13]

@darkwolf : So as for now, Darksoul can trigger multiple times?

[darkwolf777]

@darkwolf : So as for now, Darksoul can trigger multiple times?

 

I don't know. If what Professional Duelist posted was indeed true, it would show that the TCG Head Judge allowed multiple uses. Chances are most TCG players will follow that for the time being, so chances are people who you play against who play X-Sabers will probably follow that rule, so you might as well stay that way until more information comes through.

 

If it were me, I would follow the B rulings I mentioned as they make the most sense, especially according to the OCG Head Judge rule in regards to "It activates during the End Phase, not when it is sent to the Graveyard". x.o;

 

I guess i'm a just a rebel. I'll fight against even the TCG Head Judges in this case even though i'm just a player, so my words have no power against what the actual judges say. I can only mention how it should be ruled and how I would rule it, but you can only really follow what the head judges say for the time being because anyone else who plays the TCG will.

 

Does Legendary Jujitsu Master's effect target?

 

No, it does not.

[.Nu-13]

Well, so I can still keep trolling locals with 5x Darksoul per turn :) And another question, but there aren't ruling for this for now, so it will be pure guessing:

 

If I use this card and give control of Thor to my opponent, and then, on opponent's turn, use Enemy Controller to get Thor back. Would Gotter's effect activate?

[darkwolf777]

Well, so I can still keep trolling locals with 5x Darksoul per turn :) And another question, but there aren't ruling for this for now, so it will be pure guessing:

 

If I use this card and give control of Thor to my opponent, and then, on opponent's turn, use Enemy Controller to get Thor back. Would Gotter's effect activate?

 

Yes. Götterdämmerung will still destroy Thor regardless of who controls Thor.

[.Nu-13]

YES! So it's more broken than it seems :) Seriously, now, I just can't wait for STOR to be released :)

[darkwolf777]

YES! So it's more broken than it seems :) Seriously, now, I just can't wait for STOR to be released :)

 

My other guesses is that if Götterdämmerung cannot perform the destruction of the Polar God monster (either because the monster is flipped face-down or is removed from the field) then Götterdämmerung will fail and will not remove the opponent's cards from play.

 

Then again, the wording there isn't exactly official so who knows x.o;

[.Nu-13]

But it will be still on the field, just on MY side :) It doesn't say "If that monster is still on your opponent's side of the field"

[darkwolf777]

But it will be still on the field, just on MY side :) It doesn't say "If that monster is still on your opponent's side of the field"

 

Correct, I never changed that part from my first post. It doesn't matter who controls Thor, it will still be destroyed.

 

My second post had nothing to do with the control of the monster, so don't tie that into the first post. Second post is unrelated to your first question :3c It is just my unrelated thoughts. Didn't mean to confuse you.

[RAEGING D0GKING]

2 questions

1. If I had boggart knight and I activate cold wave, if they flip icarus and tribute vayu they destroy boggart knight and can they destroy cold wave so they wouldnt need to destroy 1 of their cards instead.

2. If they flip icarus and target bora can i activate book of moon on bora so they couldnt use icarus?

[darkwolf777]

1. If I had boggart knight and I activate cold wave, if they flip icarus and tribute vayu they destroy boggart knight and can they destroy cold wave so they wouldnt need to destroy 1 of their cards instead.

 

Yes. Cold Wave is a valid target for destruction.

 

2. If they flip icarus and target bora can i activate book of moon on bora so they couldnt use icarus?

 

The Winged-Beast monster is Tributed as a cost for Icarus Attack. It does not target the Winged Beast monster. By the time you can activate "Book of Moon", Bora will no longer be on the field.

[Professional Duelist]

Even though Darksoul now activates in the end phase, it doesn't have to be in the graveyard to activate so Crow doesn't stop it and you can still stack multiple searches.

 

Though, multiple stack ruling angers me.

 

I'm letting you know that the ruling was issued by KOJ. He KNEW how the ruling should be ruled.

[darkwolf777]

Even though Darksoul now activates in the end phase, it doesn't have to be in the graveyard to activate so Crow doesn't stop it and you can still stack multiple searches.

 

Though, multiple stack ruling angers me.

 

I'm letting you know that the ruling was issued by KOJ. He KNEW how the ruling should be ruled.

 

Incorrect.

 

According to the letter you posted in the first note, the entire letter was written by YCS Bochum's Head Judge's Harti who is NOT KOJ that i can tell from your two posts.. The only thing it says there that KOJ said in the first letter was "Darksoul activates during the End Phase".

 

Harti is also the one who wrote/said the entire second post which states it can still be used multiple times.

 

So as far as I can tell, yes KOJ stated it only activates during the End Phase BUT KOJ DID NOT STATE that it can still activate multiple times.

 

Unless Harti and KOJ are the same people, KOJ did not state it could be used multiple times. Harti said that.

[Professional Duelist]

I'm gonna only post in the other thread :o

[Expelsword]

What are the effects of Necrovalley on Majestic Star and Majestic Red Dragon?

[darkwolf777]

What are the effects of Necrovalley on Majestic Star and Majestic Red Dragon?

 

Well, Necrovalley "negates the effects of Spells, Traps and Effect Monsters that target a card(s) in either player's Graveyard.".

 

The effects of Majestic Star Dragon and Majestic Red Dragon effects that Special Summon a "Stardust Dragon"/"Red Dragon Archfiend" target the "Stardust Dragon"/"Red Dragon Archfiend" in the Graveyard. Also, the effect that "Returns the Majestic Monster" and "Special Summons the Dragon" is the same effect. Returning the Majestic Monster is not a cost.

 

Therefore, because the effect Targets the card on the Graveyard, Necrovalley therefore would negate that effect. The Majestic monster would stay on the field.

[Expelsword]

Well, Necrovalley "negates the effects of Spells, Traps and Effect Monsters that target a card(s) in either player's Graveyard.".

 

The effects of Majestic Star Dragon and Majestic Red Dragon effects that Special Summon a "Stardust Dragon"/"Red Dragon Archfiend" target the "Stardust Dragon"/"Red Dragon Archfiend" in the Graveyard. Also, the effect that "Returns the Majestic Monster" and "Special Summons the Dragon" is the same effect. Returning the Majestic Monster is not a cost.

 

Therefore, because the effect Targets the card on the Graveyard, Necrovalley therefore would negate that effect. The Majestic monster would stay on the field.

 

And I was using Mystic Wok/Wicked Rebirth ...

are Rekindling, Call of the Haunted, and Limit Reverse affected?