Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[evilfusion]

No, they're not.

 

Using your example, this is how the mechanics go.

 

1. Opponent Tribute Summons Raiza, targets something. (Check for response to Raiza's effect)

 

2. You respond with Bottomless Trap Hole. (Check for response to your Trap)

 

3. Opponent has no response. (Priority returns to you)

 

4. You chain Scrapstorm (Check for Response to Spell)

 

5. Opponent has no response (Priority return to you)

 

6. You have no response. (Chain resolves)

 

The only time it matters what the last action is if you're using a Counter Trap, which must chain to what it's "countering", or cards that specifically state their timing as "when X happens" (Starlight Road).

[Bringerofcake]

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

[Tourmaline]

I'm not absolutely sure if this goes here, or in that "Your Deck" forum. Anyways, it's for an incomplete Blackwing deck I'm still making. It has about thirty-five cards, and a fraction of the cards already in there will probably be taken out. I'll probably make a topic there later, anyways.

 

The question is: Would putting three Mystic Tomatoes in a purely Blackwing deck be intelligent? They'd be good searchers, and can help me special summon Blackwing tuners with great ease, as they have low attack. They're also great for special summoning Mistral, if I have no defense. Which also brings me to another question. Is Ghibli worth it?

[BDKMRV]

Tomato : No

Ghilbi : Depends/It's situational

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

Tomato: No

Ghibli: Even bigger no.

 

Best to run backrow support or more spell support.

[Tourmaline]

Alright. I have no current alternative to the Tomatoes, at the moment. I got a Shura today, as well. About to get another, tomorrow. Replacing the two Ghiblis in my deck for two Shuras is favorable, I assume.

[Bringerofcake]

2 questions:

 

1) Do we know if the effects of multiple Scrap Searcher's effect stack on each other? For clarification:

 

When a "Scrap" monster you control, except "Scrap Searcher", is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, you can Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. When this card is Special Summoned, destroy all face-up non-"Scrap" monsters you control.

 

2) Is Soul Rope in the same vein as Geartown in that it misses the timing if an effect activates after its destruction? For example, say I destroy my own Scrap Dragon with its effect, then Special Summon something else. Could I activate Soul Rope in response to Scrap Dragon's effect, or would I have missed the timing?

[evilfusion]

2 questions:

 

1) Do we know if the effects of multiple Scrap Searcher's effect stack on each other? For clarification:

 

When a "Scrap" monster you control, except "Scrap Searcher", is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, you can Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. When this card is Special Summoned, destroy all face-up non-"Scrap" monsters you control.

 

2) Is Soul Rope in the same vein as Geartown in that it misses the timing if an effect activates after its destruction? For example, say I destroy my own Scrap Dragon with its effect, then Special Summon something else. Could I activate Soul Rope in response to Scrap Dragon's effect, or would I have missed the timing?

 

1) They can, same as Infernity Avenger. The timing for all of them are correct and there's no limitations on summoning, such as Treeborn's.

 

2) Geartown misses the timing because its effect, being optional, must have its trigger (this card is destroyed and sent to the graveyard) as the last thing to occur. Soul Rope and Scrap Dragon's effect have the same timing, so you can activate Soul Rope in the same chain as Scrap Dragon's revival effect, because they both trigger at the same timing.

[darkwolf777]

1) Do we know if the effects of multiple Scrap Searcher's effect stack on each other? For clarification:

 

When a "Scrap" monster you control, except "Scrap Searcher", is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, you can Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. When this card is Special Summoned, destroy all face-up non-"Scrap" monsters you control.

 

They should. Multiple Optional Trigger Effects whose timings are all correct can all be activated. They would chain together.

 

2) Is Soul Rope in the same vein as Geartown in that it misses the timing if an effect activates after its destruction? For example, say I destroy my own Scrap Dragon with its effect, then Special Summon something else. Could I activate Soul Rope in response to Scrap Dragon's effect, or would I have missed the timing?

 

Rope of Life states that the monster must be sent to the Graveyard as a result of Battle, so you would not be able to activate it if it destroyed itself by its own effect.

 

If it did get destroyed by battle, the current timing is "A monster was destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard". Both Scrap Dragon and Rope of Life would have the same timing here. In this case, you can chain Rope of Life to Scrap Dragon's mandatory effect.

 

You cannot wait for Scrap Dragon to resolve before activating Rope of Life. You must chain Rope of Life to Scrap Dragon's effect that Special Summons a monster.

 

Edit: My bad, I thought of the wrong card apparently.

 

In this case, If you destroy Scrap Dragon with its own effect, then it wasn't "destroyed by your opponent's card", so it would not get its own effect that Special Summons 1 non-synchro Scrap Monster.

 

If it is destroyed by an opponent's card's effect, then so long as the last thing to occur was the destruction of Scrap Dragon, then yes you can activate Soul Rope. You do not wait for Scrap Dragon to resolve first or else you will miss the timing. Instead you chain it to Scrap Dragon's activation of its Special Summon effect. Because Scrap Dragon is a mandatory effect, it will be Chain Link 1. You then chain Soul Rope to Scrap Dragon's effect as Chain Link 2.

 

And as evilfusion mentioned below, you cannot activate Soul Rope during the Damage Step.

[evilfusion]

Actually, Soul Rope's one of those stupid cards that don't specify the method of destruction, but are ruled to be illegal to use during Damage Step. Soul Rope doesn't say "Destroyed in battle", just "destroyed".

[Bringerofcake]

I think he/she thought by Soul Rope, I meant Rope of Life.

[darkwolf777]

I think he/she thought by Soul Rope, I meant Rope of Life.

 

Sorry about that, corrected my response in the same post.

[Professional Duelist]

Player A Soul Exchanges B's Sangan. Does B discard or search first?

I know the answer to this but I want to see if you can figure it out <3

[darkwolf777]

Player A Soul Exchanges B's Sangan. Does B discard or search first?

I know the answer to this but I want to see if you can figure it out <3

 

Well since the only cards listed are Soul Exchange and Sangan, and you didn't list that the Sangan was even used as a tribute at all by anything that turn, i would say he neither searches nor discards since Sangan is still on the field and there are no cards on the field that even require a discard. :3c

 

If the missing card is Thestalos, then its SEGOC states that turn player's mandatories are lowest on the chain before the opponent's mandatories. Therefore Thestalos is Chain Link 1 and Sangan is Chain Link 2 (in the OCG). They search first, then Thestalos discards.

 

TCG might say either:

 

A: Sangan is Spell Speed 1 so it is Chain Link 1, or

B: It hit the Graveyard first so it is Chain Link 1

 

In which case it might be backwards in the TCG where Sangan is Chain Link 1 and Thestalos is Chain Link 2 where they discard first and search after, but OCG doesn't care about that.

 

In the OCG, both trigger at the same time and go by SEGOC which would make Thestalos Chain Link 1, and Sangan Chain Link 2.

 

So... TCG - Discard first, then search.

OCG - Search first, then discard.

[Professional Duelist]

Well since the only cards listed are Soul Exchange and Sangan, and neither discard anything, i would say that player B searches first and discards nothing at all.

Oops. rofl. I missed Thestalos. Thestalos gets summoned.

[darkwolf777]

lol my guess was good, sorry if you didn't see it before i guessed xD Thestalos was the only thing that made any sense.

[Professional Duelist]

hope u read messages :o

 

oh, and did you get the email from Konami about Snyffus?

[darkwolf777]

hope u read messages :o

 

oh, and did you get the email from Konami about Snyffus?

 

I read and replied. Also, no i didn't get the answer, and i didn't bother asking again x.o; Snyffus definitely needs a "This can activate during the Damage Step" disclaimer if what they're trying to say is true.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

Situation:

 

I have 2 set cards (Both are Starlight Roads)

My opponent has one Set card (Trap Stun)

 

He Synchros Summons XX-Saber Hyunlei and targets both my Backrow.

 

i play my set Starlight Road and he chains Trap Stun.

 

is the timing still right for me to play my other Starlight Road?

[darkwolf777]

Situation:

 

I have 2 set cards (Both are Starlight Roads)

My opponent has one Set card (Trap Stun)

 

He Synchros Summons XX-Saber Hyunlei and targets both my Backrow.

 

i play my set Starlight Road and he chains Trap Stun.

 

is the timing still right for me to play my other Starlight Road?

 

Unfortunately not. In this case, Starlight Road is a card that must chain directly to a card that would destroy two or more cards you control. Trap Stun does not destroy any cards and therefore you cannot chain to Trap Stun's activation.

 

**No need to read below this line unless you're interested in my ramblings about this**

 

There seems to be a few questions about this lately in regards to the timing of cards, even after other cards are in the chain. Looks at your cards and determine what its timing is. Does your card specifically chain to a specific effect, or does it trigger to an event that had just successfully occurred? For example:

 

In your chain, the last action to resolve successfully is the successful Special Summon of Hyunlei. As of Hyunlei's successful summon, her effect activates without giving any time in between her Summon and her effect's activation to perform any other action. Because no time has passed since "A monster was Special Summoned" and the activation of Hyunlei's effect, you can chain cards to Hyunlei in response to "A monster was successfully Special Summoned." in this chain at any time in this chain. This can be done in any order you choose. If you have two Bottomless Trap Holes and a Torrential Tribute, you can activate all of them in this chain if you wish to do so because the timing for them is correct.

 

In your example, while you may not be able to chain Starlight Road to Trap Stun, you could for example still activate Bottomless Trap Hole or Torrential Tribute to Trap Stun because the timing is still correct for those (not that that would get you a Stardust Dragon or save your face-downs ><)

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

ah, well it was merely a question i had thought of. I've never been in the situation but i was curious as to the result.

[Yu-gi-oh Dude]

If I attack my opponent and they play Sakuretsu Armour, are you allowed to replay the attack, and if so, what happens to Sakurestu?

[evilfusion]

Why would you be allowed to replay the attack? Replays occur if, before an attack completes, the defending player adds or removes monsters from their side of the field. Sakuretsu Armor does not do this.

 

The monster that attacked is destroyed by Sakuretsu Armor's effect.

[darkwolf777]

If I attack my opponent and they play Sakuretsu Armour, are you allowed to replay the attack, and if so, what happens to Sakurestu?

 

Once you declare an attack, you cannot take it back. Sakuretsu destroys your monster.

 

The only time you are allowed to "replay" an attack is when the monsters change on your opponent's side of the field after you have declared an attack but before the Damage Step.

[Zauls]

I am probably going to sound silly saying this, but if you bounce Prohibition (with, for example, a declared Machina Fortress) with Comsic Fortress Gol'gar's effect, then activate Prohibition again and declare a different card name (eg. Machina Gearframe), are both Machina Fortress and Machina Gearframe now "unusable"?