Expelsword Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Can I use as many Tributes for a Ritual Summon as I want or am I obligated to stop once I meet the requirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Can I use as many Tributes for a Ritual Summon as I want or am I obligated to stop once I meet the requirement? You can only use the least amount of tributes needed. You cannot tribute excessive amounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥ Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Can you use Fossil Excavation to discard a Dinosaur monster, then Special Summon the same one that was discarded? This is assuming that there is already a Dinosaur monster in the Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Can you use Fossil Excavation to discard a Dinosaur monster, then Special Summon the same one that was discarded? This is assuming that there is already a Dinosaur monster in the Graveyard. Yes, just like with Zombie Master, the discard is a cost, and afterwards you choose a Dinosaur among your graveyard monsters. And yes, this sort of trick can be pulled provided you have a valid target already in the graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis El Lincer Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 let's say my opponent has two face-up monsters i got no monsters, i use soul exchange, so here's my question, can i use the second effect of enemy controller to tribute the monster i selected with soul exchange and take control of the other monster until the end phase??? Can I use as many Tributes for a Ritual Summon as I want or am I obligated to stop once I meet the requirement? i think cards like Earth Chant and Contract with the Abyss especifically require you to tribute monsters until u have the exact level of the ritual monster, the monster's specific ritual spell lets u use as many as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 let's say my opponent has two face-up monsters i got no monsters, i use soul exchange, so here's my question, can i use the second effect of enemy controller to tribute the monster i selected with soul exchange and take control of the other monster until the end phase??? i think cards like Earth Chant and Contract with the Abyss especifically require you to tribute monsters until u have the exact level of the ritual monster, the monster's specific ritual spell lets u use as many as possible Wow, this quote system is screwy. For your question, nothing says you can't Tribute it for a card effect, so I suppose, yes, you can use this and use Enemy Controller to get rid of one monster your opponent controls and take over the other. Do note, however, that you can't enter the Battle Phase this turn due to Soul Exchange. The Ritual thing with the rituals that have a level "or more" part is really strange, but I think it goes like this: after selecting any number of monsters for Tribute, once you get to the point where any of your monsters can satisfy the rest of the Levels, you can Tribute any monster, but that's the end of your Tributing. You can't Tribute more after you've met the Level requirement. At least, that's how I find it works on WC10, but I'm not sure. Can anybody give a definite ruling to how Tributing for Rituals work, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis El Lincer Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Wow, this quote system is screwy. For your question, nothing says you can't Tribute it for a card effect, so I suppose, yes, you can use this and use Enemy Controller to get rid of one monster your opponent controls and take over the other. Do note, however, that you can't enter the Battle Phase this turn due to Soul Exchange. The Ritual thing with the rituals that have a level "or more" part is really strange, but I think it goes like this: after selecting any number of monsters for Tribute, once you get to the point where any of your monsters can satisfy the rest of the Levels, you can Tribute any monster, but that's the end of your Tributing. You can't Tribute more after you've met the Level requirement. At least, that's how I find it works on WC10, but I'm not sure. Can anybody give a definite ruling to how Tributing for Rituals work, please? well lemme give u an example, let's take DEMISE, 8star ritual monster if you have in your hand MACHINA FORTRESS and MECHA BUNNY in your hand you cannot ritual summon demise using CONTRACT WITH THE ABYSS which is a generic ritual spell for DARK monsters only, you can't becaus the level total is 9 not 8, but if u use THE END OF THE WORLD the specific spell for DEMISE u can because the spell doesnt specify that they need to be exactly 8 levels total it can be more than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 well lemme give u an example, let's take DEMISE, 8star ritual monster if you have in your hand MACHINA FORTRESS and MECHA BUNNY in your hand you cannot ritual summon demise using CONTRACT WITH THE ABYSS which is a generic ritual spell for DARK monsters only, you can't becaus the level total is 9 not 8, but if u use THE END OF THE WORLD the specific spell for DEMISE u can because the spell doesnt specify that they need to be exactly 8 levels total it can be more than that Read End of the World again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis El Lincer Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 well lemme give u an example, let's take DEMISE, 8star ritual monster if you have in your hand MACHINA FORTRESS and MECHA BUNNY in your hand you cannot ritual summon demise using CONTRACT WITH THE ABYSS which is a generic ritual spell for DARK monsters only, you can't becaus the level total is 9 not 8, but if u use THE END OF THE WORLD the specific spell for DEMISE u can because the spell doesnt specify that they need to be exactly 8 levels total it can be more than that Read End of the World again... ooops lol ok maybe not that one but u understand what i meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 well lemme give u an example, let's take DEMISE, 8star ritual monster if you have in your hand MACHINA FORTRESS and MECHA BUNNY in your hand you cannot ritual summon demise using CONTRACT WITH THE ABYSS which is a generic ritual spell for DARK monsters only, you can't becaus the level total is 9 not 8, but if u use THE END OF THE WORLD the specific spell for DEMISE u can because the spell doesnt specify that they need to be exactly 8 levels total it can be more than that I wasn't referring to that anyway. I mean something like: I am trying to summon a monster that can use "or more" levels. For this example, let's use Paladin of White Dragon, a Level 4 Ritual monster whose Ritual requires Tributes who Levels total "4 or more" from the field or hand. Let's say, in your hand except the Ritual monster, you have five of each of the following levels: 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. What are all the Level combinations can I tribute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Soul Exchange lets you Tribute the opposing monster for any of your effect/summon/etc, so long as that specifically requires a Tribute, such as Cannon Soldier, Enemy Controller, Tribute Summon, etc. Okay, for the Paladin example, you can tribute (note, the numeric is the number of tributes, the level is written out) 4 level ones. 3 level ones and 1 level two. 2 level twos. 1 level three and 1 level two 1 level three and 1 level two 2 level three 1 level four. 1 level five. According to the video games, you can also tribute further combinations based on the order you tribute. 3 level ones and 1 level five, for example, and so on. I'm not sure if this is valid or what the rulings on it are, such as whether additional conditions must be applied. But you can't tribute 1 level four and 1 level one or things like that, so I realy can't be positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis El Lincer Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Ok, this may be stupid but i am tired of arguing with a friend of mine about this: PLAYER A: attacks with a GOYO GUARDIAN/ BW SHURA THE BLUE FLAME a face down ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS, ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS is destroyed and sent to the grave GOYO/SHURA activate their effect at the end of the damage step of special summoning a monster, can PLAYER B activate BOTTOMLESS TRAP HOLE/ TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE in response to this special summon at the end of the damage step... I think NOT but i would like someone else opinion please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Ok, this may be stupid but i am tired of arguing with a friend of mine about this: PLAYER A: attacks with a GOYO GUARDIAN/ BW SHURA THE BLUE FLAME a face down ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS, ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS is destroyed and sent to the grave GOYO/SHURA activate their effect at the end of the damage step of special summoning a monster, can PLAYER B activate BOTTOMLESS TRAP HOLE/ TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE in response to this special summon at the end of the damage step... I think NOT but i would like someone else opinion please They cannot because "End of the Damage Step" is still during the Damage Step, and neither of those cards can be activated during the Damage Step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Does Mirror Force destroy Obelisk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Does Mirror Force destroy Obelisk? Does anything other than the anime suggest otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Ya, the moron who I was dueling thought it was invincible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Ya, the moron who I was dueling thought it was invincible. Tell him to read the IRL Ra and note that it doesn't gain ATK from its tributes anymore. Then proceed to point out that only what's written on the card or is in an official ruling counts in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 No, he didn't understand that Mirror Force doesn't target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksato Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 If i have a face-up black garden and a pollinosis set on my field and my opponent summons a monster, is it possible to summon a rose token with black garden's effect and use pollinosis to tribute the token and negate the summoning of the monster that was just summoned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttercup Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 No. The monster has to have hit the field for Garden's effect to activate and give you a token to Tribute for Pollinosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis El Lincer Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 does PHANTOM OF CHAOS removes the monster he tries to copy the effect as a cost or is the monster removed when the effect resolves??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDKMRV Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 does PHANTOM OF CHAOS removes the monster he tries to copy the effect as a cost or is the monster removed when the effect resolves??? Its is not a cost. If Stardust negates and Oppression is out, then Stardust is SS during End Phase and Oppression negates, does Stardust comeback still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Ok. Let's say that through some manner of trickery, I manage to change a monster's name to "Time Wizard", and I control a Dark Magician. If the monster activates its effect again, and is not negated, would that satisfy the condition for Dark Sage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttercup Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Its is not a cost. If Stardust negates and Oppression is out, then Stardust is SS during End Phase and Oppression negates, does Stardust comeback still? No. Yes, bringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 A variation to Bringer's question: If Elemental Hero - Prisma uses its effect to reveal Thousand Dragon and change its name to "Time Wizard", is this counted as the successful activation of the effect of a "Time Wizard" on the field for the purposes of Dark Sage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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