Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Welche the crab]

Can BTH ever be used on Jester Lord?

[darkwolf777]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Vairon_Ohm

 

Needs to be on the field to add the equip?

 

I'm just going to say it here: I do not know.

 

Vairon Ohm's effect seems written as two simple effects. "Trigger A, Effect A. Trigger B, Effect B." There's really no showing that it is a latent effect of Vairon Ohm's first effect which removed the Equip Spell Card from play to begin with, outside of the fact that Trigger B cannot occur unless Trigger A occurred, which as Monster Card Effects are concerned, that may be enough to allow Vairon Ohm's second effect to activate regardless of where Vairon Ohm is at the time, so long as the first part resolved successfully (since it links itself to the first part, possibly making it one whole effect rather than two separate ones).

 

Some cards try to explain when things will happen in the future during the same clause that activated it. If the effect was written "When this card is Normal Summoned, select 1 Equip Spell Card from your Graveyard and remove it from play, and then add the selected card to your hand during your next Standby Phase.", though even that sounds kinda awkward as monster effects go.

 

The only cards I could find that do similar things or wordings were all Spell or Trap cards which would be treated differently because of the nature of how Field Spells work (such as Future Visions), Normal Spell Cards (such as Gold Sarcophagus which resolves completely after its successful activation and is sent to the Graveyard), and Continuous Traps (like Handless Fake which protects itself by listing both the removal and the returning of the cards in the same clause.) x.o

 

Sorry, I can't really help out any further without any monster trigger effects that exists that are worded similarly. I'm leaning towards no it does not need to stay on the field for it to resolve, or else this card goes from being very good to very very bad, but sorry I can't really help much further than that outside of speculation.

 

 

Can BTH ever be used on Jester Lord?

 

Jester Lord's effect is Continuous. If there are no monsters on the field, and Jester Lord is summoned while there are at least 2 Spell/Trap Cards on the field (Bottomless Trap Hole is counted as one as well), then you can activate Bottomless Trap Hole (as Jester Lord would have 2000+ ATK at the time it was Summoned successfully making it a valid target for Bottomless Trap Hole.)

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Jester Lord's effect is Continuous. If there are no monsters on the field, and Jester Lord is summoned while there are at least 2 Spell/Trap Cards on the field (Bottomless Trap Hole is counted as one as well), then you can activate Bottomless Trap Hole (as Jester Lord would have 2000+ ATK at the time it was Summoned successfully making it a valid target for Bottomless Trap Hole.)

With that logic, could it be activated on just about any monster that gets Summoned to the field while there is a Field Spell that boosts its ATK to 1,500 or more?

 

Or it only applies to effects from the monster itself, and not from external ATK increasing cards?

[Mysty]

With that logic, could it be activated on just about any monster that gets Summoned to the field while there is a Field Spell that boosts its ATK to 1,500 or more?

 

Or it only applies to effects from the monster itself, and not from external ATK increasing cards?

 

Any continuous effects powering up or powering down the monster apply to the monster for determining whether or not it can be hit with Bottomless.

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I see. Thank you.

 

If somebody attacks one of my Six Samurai's with an Amazoness, and I activate their effect to destroy another Six Samurai instead, can they still activate Queen's Pawn?

 

The Six Samurai that was originally targeted was not destroyed and was not sent to the Graveyard, so I assume that you cannot.

[darkwolf777]

I see. Thank you.

 

If somebody attacks one of my Six Samurai's with an Amazoness, and I activate their effect to destroy another Six Samurai instead, can they still activate Queen's Pawn?

 

The Six Samurai that was originally targeted was not destroyed and was not sent to the Graveyard, so I assume that you cannot.

 

They cannot activate it as the Amazoness did not destroy a monster by battle. The other Six Samurai was destroyed by the effect of a Six Samurai monster instead.

[Welche the crab]

If I destroy Fututre Vision, is my opponents monster still SS during the Standby phase?

[Welche the crab]

If I destroy Fututre Vision, is my opponents monster still returned during the Standby phase?

[darkwolf777]

If I destroy Fututre Vision, is my opponents monster still returned during the Standby phase?

 

No, it is not.

[Welche the crab]

OK good.

[burnpsy]

If Koa'ki Meiru Drago is face-up and Morphtronic Celfon's effect only picks up LIGHT Morphtronics, what happens?

 

I assumed that it would be treated as if I didn't pick up any Morphtronics and just put them back into the deck.

 

Can Morphtronic Celfon activate its Attack mode effect while Vanity's Fiend is face-up on the field to simply shuffle the deck?

[Welche the crab]

Is there a limit to how many times my Koa'ki Meiru Bergzak can attack?

[burnpsy]

Is there a limit to how many times my Koa'ki Meiru Bergzak can attack?

 

An old ruling says the limit is twice for effects that are worded that way.

[Welche the crab]

Thanks man.

[evilfusion]

If Koa'ki Meiru Drago is face-up and Morphtronic Celfon's effect only picks up LIGHT Morphtronics, what happens?

 

I assumed that it would be treated as if I didn't pick up any Morphtronics and just put them back into the deck.

 

Can Morphtronic Celfon activate its Attack mode effect while Vanity's Fiend is face-up on the field to simply shuffle the deck?

 

1) I think that the fate of an invalid target is the same as the other such cards in the effect, so it would return to the deck. (Evidence: Cyber Jar puts them in the hand, and Monster Gate sends to the graveyard.)

 

2) No. Celfon's effect Special Summons, and Vanity's Fiend does not allow a Special Summon at all. So activating an effect that Special Summons is not allowed.

 

Koaki Meiru Bergzak can only attack one additional time with its effect, even if it destroys a second monster in battle.

[burnpsy]

Thanks.

 

How did Hopeless Dragon get its name?

[byak]

because the deck is hopeless and never tops

 

B)

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

Future Visions doesn't Special Summon the monster does it. it "places" it so effects like (FL Water) won't activate right?

but according to lolwikia, thats ocg rulings only and there's nothing about tcg ones.

 

common sense would suggest they're the same right?

[evilfusion]

Firstly, I'm going to correct my Morphtronic Celfon answer. If you try to Special Summon something, but are not allowed to (Drago), the 'summoned' card will instead be destroyed. However, if you are already not able to Special Summon (Vanity's Fiend, Non Aggression Area), you may not activate the effect at all.

 

Future Visions "returns" the monster, much the same was as Interdimensional Matter Transporter. It is not considered a summon, so effects that trigger upon summons do not activate. This is also why it works with Spirits, which can't be Special Summoned.

 

I assume Hopeless Dragon got its name because of how quickly it overwhelms your opponent and makes it hopeless for them to win.

[Luis El Lincer]

can i use SHRINK on any token??? what would be the result???

 

is MIST VALLEY BABY ROC from HIDDEN ARSENAL a dark world like monster???

[darkwolf777]

Future Visions doesn't Special Summon the monster does it. it "places" it so effects like (FL Water) won't activate right?

but according to lolwikia, thats ocg rulings only and there's nothing about tcg ones.

 

common sense would suggest they're the same right?

 

Correct, Future Visions returns the monster to the field. It does not Special Summon the monster.

 

can i use SHRINK on any token??? what would be the result???

 

Yes, you can. The result is that the Token would have half it's original ATK. The Original ATK of a Token is the ATK listed on the card that Special Summons the Token, such as 800 ATK for a Rose Token summoned by Black Garden (so it would have 400 ATK in this case if affected by Shrink). A Token with ? Original ATK would work the same way as a monster would, and end up with 0 ATK after Shrink resolves.

 

is MIST VALLEY BABY ROC from HIDDEN ARSENAL a dark world like monster???

 

Dunno what you mean by that exactly, but No, it is not LIKE a Dark World monster. The trigger is "When this card is sent directly to the Hand to the Graveyard."

 

The trigger alone would work if "Mist Valley Baby Roc"'s effect was Mandatory. Similarly to Dark Worlds though (but for a different reason), If you use it for the cost of a card's effect, Baby Roc's effect cannot be activated. This is because you will miss "Mist Valley Baby Roc"'s timing, because its effect is Optional and it being sent from the Hand to the Graveyard has to be the last thing to have occurred.

[Luis El Lincer]

Correct, Future Visions returns the monster to the field. It does not Special Summon the monster.

 

 

 

Yes, you can. The result is that the Token would have half it's original ATK. The Original ATK of a Token is the ATK listed on the card that Special Summons the Token, such as 800 ATK for a Rose Token summoned by Black Garden (so it would have 400 ATK in this case if affected by Shrink). A Token with ? Original ATK would work the same way as a monster would, and end up with 0 ATK after Shrink resolves.

 

 

 

Dunno what you mean by that exactly, but No, it is not LIKE a Dark World monster. The trigger is "When this card is sent directly to the Hand to the Graveyard."

 

The trigger alone would work if "Mist Valley Baby Roc"'s effect was Mandatory. Similarly to Dark Worlds though (but for a different reason), If you use it for the cost of a card's effect, Baby Roc's effect cannot be activated. This is because you will miss "Mist Valley Baby Roc"'s timing, because its effect is Optional and it being sent from the Hand to the Graveyard has to be the last thing to have occurred.

 

 

 

 

OK Thnx, Great Response, understood completely!

[Master Hyperion]

Let's say I battled with my GB and it survived.

I return it to my deck and Special Summon Bestairi, activates it's effect and target it's face-down Chivalry.

Can my opponent chain Chivalry to the effect of Bestairi? Or am I no longer in the Battle Phase and my opponent can't activate Chivalry at all?

[darkwolf777]

Let's say I battled with my GB and it survived.

I return it to my deck and Special Summon Bestairi, activates it's effect and target it's face-down Chivalry.

Can my opponent chain Chivalry to the effect of Bestairi? Or am I no longer in the Battle Phase and my opponent can't activate Chivalry at all?

 

Bestiari is Summoned during the End of the Battle Phase. Its effect will activate at the End of the Battle Phase when it was Summoned (It doesn't change phases then activate). They can activate Chivalry.

[burnpsy]

Firstly, I'm going to correct my Morphtronic Celfon answer. If you try to Special Summon something, but are not allowed to (Drago), the 'summoned' card will instead be destroyed.

 

Actually, the answer for Drago that you gave before makes quite a bit of sense when you look at the rulings on it. Apparently, you cannot even try to summon a LIGHT or DARK monster in the first place. Looking at the ruling with Future Fusion/Cyber Stein and Drago, the LIGHT/DARK monster becomes an invalid target for the effect.

 

What changed your answer?