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darkwolf777 Newbie

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If i play Pot of Duality, but my opp negates it. Can i still Special Summon this turn?

or does that part remain...?

 

I believe if the activation is negated, then yes you can.

 

If only the effect is negated (like with Imperial Order), then no, you cannot.

 

Of course I cannot test with any game as of yet, though basing it off of Scapegoat's rulings on its negated activation.

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Why would you think otherwise? I'm assuming Mirage is "Infernity Mirage", which is a level 6 or below DARK monster, the requirement for 100 Eyes' effect. And Mirage's effect is to Tribute it when your hand is 0 to Special Summon 2 Infernity monsters. 100-Eyes should be able to copy that without problems. It's like Exiled Force. The effect activates on the field and the Tribute is the cost. The effect still resolves, even though the "source" (100-Eyes) loses that effect when its in the graveyard.

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Oh, sorry, didn't know you wanted me to answer that o.x I thought you were talking about confirming Pot of Duality and that was a random quote by mistake :<

 

Yes, you would be able to copy and use Infernity Mirage's effect because the effect activates on the field. It will resolve successfully even though it has no effect when it resolves in the Graveyard although fusion already answered it :3c

 

I was not sure about this.

 

A card activate on the field when you point at a monster and say "I want to active this effect." Ignition Effects of monsters on the field all activate on the field. An effect like this would resolve in the Graveyard (even though in this case, Hundred-Eye Dragon no longer has the effect while in the Graveyard, it is not necessary at this point). Stardust Dragon, Infernity Mirage, Exiled Force are all examples of monster cards that due to how they work, Activate while on the field and resolve in the Graveyard.

 

All cards activate wherever they were at when you say "I going to activate this effect.". Honest activates in the Hand. Infernity Mirage activates on the Field. Plaguespreader Zombie activates in the Graveyard.

 

A card resolves wherever the card is when the chain is resolving. I think the example i used was...

 

There is a face-up Tiger King Wanghu and a Fortune Lady (that isn't Water) on your side of the field. You Special Summon "Fortune Lady Water". On their own, Wanghu and Watery both activate and resolve while on the field. In this case, The effects of Wanghu and Watery chain together as their timing is the same. Let's say you set Watery as Chain Link 1, and Wanghu as Chain Link 2.

 

Due to resolving backwards, Watery is destroyed by Wanghu. Then Watery's effect resolves while she is in the Graveyard, not on the field, as she normally would.

 

Hopefully that helps a bit.

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*takes a deep breath*

 

If Bottomless Trap Hole is activated in response to Return from a Different Dimension, are only the monsters with 1500+ ATK destroyed and RFP'd? I think there's an OCG ruling on Starlight Road that says something like this, but I'm worried I may be misinterpreting it.

 

Can Morphtronic Celfon's effect be negated by Royal Oppression? I was thinking it was something like the whole "Stardust cannot negate Magical Dimension" scenario since it's unknown whether on not a Special Summon will occur until resolution, but I haven't used Oppression so I don't know if it works like that.

 

If a non-Tuner monster's name is changed to be the same as a Tuner (for the sake of clarity, let's say something's name was changed to "Plaguespreader Zombie"), would one be able to summon a monster that requires said Tuner (such as Revived King Ha Des) without changing it into a Tuner?

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*takes a deep breath*

 

If Bottomless Trap Hole is activated in response to Return from a Different Dimension, are only the monsters with 1500+ ATK destroyed and RFP'd? I think there's an OCG ruling on Starlight Road that says something like this, but I'm worried I may be misinterpreting it.

 

Can Morphtronic Celfon's effect be negated by Royal Oppression? I was thinking it was something like the whole "Stardust cannot negate Magical Dimension" scenario since it's unknown whether on not a Special Summon will occur until resolution, but I haven't used Oppression so I don't know if it works like that.

 

If a non-Tuner monster's name is changed to be the same as a Tuner (for the sake of clarity, let's say something's name was changed to "Plaguespreader Zombie"), would one be able to summon a monster that requires said Tuner (such as Revived King Ha Des) without changing it into a Tuner?

 

1) Yes, only the 1500+, and all the 1500+. But only if RFtDD resolved last in a chain, since Bottomless can't be chained TO Return.

 

2) I dont think so, for the same logic you presented. Celfon might NOT summon something at resolution, so Oppression can't stop it.

 

3) No. A Synchro Summon still must be performed with at least one Tuner, but most Synchros specify non-Tuners as the other Synchro requirements. If you could somehow change Stardust Dragon to a Tuner, and copy Majestic Dragon's name, and use a non-Tuner, and all their levels equal 10, you can Synchro Summon Majestic Star Dragon.

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If Bottomless Trap Hole is activated in response to Return from a Different Dimension, are only the monsters with 1500+ ATK destroyed and RFP'd? I think there's an OCG ruling on Starlight Road that says something like this, but I'm worried I may be misinterpreting it.

 

Only monsters that could successfully trigger Bottomless Trap Hole are removed from play. Therefore, if you Special Summon a bunch of monsters with a card like Return from a Different Dimension or Rekindling and Bottomless Trap Hole is activated, only the monsters with 1500 ATK or more will be destroyed and removed.

 

Can Morphtronic Celfon's effect be negated by Royal Oppression? I was thinking it was something like the whole "Stardust cannot negate Magical Dimension" scenario since it's unknown whether on not a Special Summon will occur until resolution, but I haven't used Oppression so I don't know if it works like that.

 

It is an effect that Special Summons. It can be negated by Royal Oppression whether or not it does Special Summon anything. Royal Oppression can negate cards like Crystal Abundance even if it cannot Special Summon anything. Royal Oppression can negate Starlight Road even if Starlight Road may not Special Summon Stardust Dragon.

 

If a non-Tuner monster's name is changed to be the same as a Tuner (for the sake of clarity, let's say something's name was changed to "Plaguespreader Zombie"), would one be able to summon a monster that requires said Tuner (such as Revived King Ha Des) without changing it into a Tuner?

 

Well, changing its named would take care of the "Plaguespreader Zombie" part. You would still need 1 or more non-tuner monsters (as the changed monster's name would only count for the "Plaguespreader Zombie" part), and of course a Tuner to bring them together. In this case, you would need at least 3 monsters.

 

Changed to agreeing with Mystery Guest below~

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Well, changing its named would take care of the "Plaguespreader Zombie" part. You would still need 1 or more non-tuner monsters (as the changed monster's name would only count for the "Plaguespreader Zombie" part), and of course a Tuner to bring them together. In this case, you would need at least 3 monsters.

 

Not true. Since the second part of the material for most (if not all) monsters that require a specific tuner says "1 (or 2) or more non-Tuner monsters", you can't use any Tuners for this part of the material. Since the rules state all Synchro Summons require at least 1 Tuner, the only place for a Tuner as material is the specifically named monster. In this example, in order to Synchro summon, you would need a Tuner monster whose name is "Plaguespreader Zombie".

 

Your other answers are correct though.

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Not true. Since the second part of the material for most (if not all) monsters that require a specific tuner says "1 (or 2) or more non-Tuner monsters", you can't use any Tuners for this part of the material. Since the rules state all Synchro Summons require at least 1 Tuner, the only place for a Tuner as material is the specifically named monster. In this example, in order to Synchro summon, you would need a Tuner monster whose name is "Plaguespreader Zombie".

 

Your other answers are correct though.

 

Hm. I'm going to have to agree with you on that. Even though the card simply states the name of "Plaguespreader Zombie", it does assume that Plaguespreader Zombie has to be the Tuner (mainly due to other non-specific Synchros still stating '1 Tuner monster'.)

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Player 1 activates Sky Scourge Norleras' effect, player 2 chains Scapegoat. What happens?

 

Chain Link 1 - Sky Scourge Norleras (Pays 1000 Life Points to send all cards on the field and hands to the Graveyard).

Chain Link 2 - Scapegoat (Summoning 4 Sheep Tokens)

 

Resolving...

 

Chain Link 2 - Four Sheep Tokens are Special Summoned

Chain Link 1 - All cards on the field are sent to the Graveyard (Sheep Tokens are destroyed because they cannot be sent to the Graveyard), then the activator of Norleras draws 1 card.

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Okay, thanks!

I was unsure because I think I've heard that some cards that clears the field, "targets" those cards on the field, which would mean that any monster summoned after the activation of the clearing would be saved...

 

There are no cards that clear the field that target. "Destroying all monsters", "Destroying all Spell/Traps", and "Destroying all cards on the field" do not target. When that card resolves, it will destroy whatever is currently on the field at that time. Norleras is the same way, although it sends instead of destroys.

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The Fusions that state "This card can only be Special Summoned from your Extra Deck by returning the above cards you control to the Deck." you cannot use Miracle Fusion on.

 

You can use it on Elemental Hero Divine Neos though.

 

I was completely oblivious to that, lool.

Thank you for your help.

Divine Neos is TOO hard to bring out, negs aren't my thing. haha.

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Does Scrap-Iron Scarecrow Target? If not, then does Magic Cylinder?

 

They both target. They target the monster whose attack they're trying to negate.

 

What types of Special summons are out of range for Thunder King Rai-Oh?

 

The same ones that Solemn Judgment can negate, meaning Thunder King Rai-Oh cannot negate a Special Summon that was caused by a card effect.

 

The reason why Solemn Judgment and Thunder King Rai-Oh cannot negate these types of Special Summons is because the timing is incorrect. The timing to negate a Summon is BEFORE the summon is successful. If a monster would be Special Summoned by a card effect and the card successfully resolves, then that would mean the monster was successfully Special Summoned during the card that summoned it's resolution. It would be too late to activate either card in this case since another card is still resolving when the Special Summoning is happening.

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Does scrap goblin/beast miss the timing when destroyed by scrapstorm ?

 

No, because the destruction of said Scrap monster is the last thing to occur for the effect of Scrapstorm (assuming Scrapstorm is Chain Link 1 in your chain). If Scrapstorm is Chain Link 2 or more, then you will miss the timing (since the lower cards on the chain will then resolve, causing Goblin/Beast to miss the timing.)

 

Scrapstorm is a very nice card. Reminds me of Gemini Spark for Geminis. In Scraps, you can use it offensively (as Chain Link 1) for Goblin and Beast, or use it defensively in a chain for the other Scrap monsters.

 

Edit: Man, have you tried saying Scrapstorm ten times fast? >_> I ending up with "Scrapscorm" o.x

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