darkwolf777 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Darius's Effects: Trigger: When this card is Special Summoned by the effect of a "Gladiator Beast" monster, you can select 1 "Gladiator Beast" monster from your Graveyard and Special Summon it. Continuous: That monster's effect(s) is negated, and it is returned to your Deck when this card is removed from the field. Trigger: At the end of the Battle Phase, if this card attacked or was attacked, you can return it to the Deck to Special Summon 1 "Gladiator Beast" monster from your Deck, except "Gladiator Beast Darius". I know, that's why I don't know what is the continuous effect of Seaking mentioned on Wikia... Ignition: Once per turn, you can discard 1 card to Special Summon as many Level 4 or lower Fish-Type monsters as possible from your Deck. ContinuousLingering: A monster Special Summoned by this effect cannot declare an attack and its effect(s) is negated while on the field. Quick: If this card is targeted by a Spell, Trap, or Effect Monster's effect, you can Tribute 1 other Fish-Type monster to negate the effect and destroy that card. Now, the only real difference between Coleacanth and Darius is "...and it is returned to the Deck when this card is removed from the field". "This card" refers to Darius, and this binds Darius to the monster it summoned, cause Darius to target the summoned GB monster and applying this effect while Darius targets it. The monsters summoned by Coleacanth have no link to Coleacanth itself and the effects are applied to the monsters Special Summoned by its effect. Coleacanth himself does not have a Continuous Effect that emanates from itself though (meaning flipping him face-down will have no affect on any of its effects). Coleacanth only applies a Continuous Effect on the monsters it Special Summons (The same way Junk Synchron negates the monster it Special Summons). The Continuous Effect is applied to the Special Summoned monsters while they are on the field, whether or not Coleacanth remains on the field or not. Darius' Continuous Effect is applied as long as it targets the GB monster it summoned. Edit: Hooray for proper terminology~ If you book the Summoned monster, (i think, might be the other way round), Darius is no longer binded to it.It's effect will activate upon summon and will be able to tag. You'd want to BoM Darius if you want to use your Summoned monster's effect immediately. Also, if you Flip Summon it, it will no longer be considered to have been Special Summoned by Darius (it will be considered to have been summoned by Flip Summon) and will not get its effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthmunchy Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 is this worth buying?http://cgi.ebay.com/Yugioh-Monster-Reborn-HL07-EN001-German-Wiedergeburt-/320580885714?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthmunchy Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 is this worth buying?http://cgi.ebay.com/Yugioh-Monster-Reborn-HL07-EN001-German-Wiedergeburt-/320580885714?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthmunchy Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 is this worth buying?http://cgi.ebay.com/Yugioh-Monster-Reborn-HL07-EN001-German-Wiedergeburt-/320580885714?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 if you really need a Reborn, then i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDKMRV Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Ah. I see, so same rule applies for all other Spell and Trap cards that summon if Royal Oppression negs them making Stardust Dragon able to neg Royal Oppression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Ah. I see, so same rule applies for all other Spell and Trap cards that summon if Royal Oppression negs them making Stardust Dragon able to neg Royal Oppression? Yes'm so long as the card Royal Oppression is trying to negate and destroy is on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥ Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 If I have a random Six Samurai, Grandmaster, and Shien on the field, and somebody activates Dark Hole, could I save either Shien or the Six Samurai by activating their effect on the other, then when it's activated on the other, activate that one on Grandmaster instead, and then ultimately activate Grandmaster's effect when he is destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 No, you cannot. If monsters are being destroyed simultaneously, as in the given example, you may not activate any of their effects, for the monster you'd designate as being destroyed "instead" is already being destroyed by another means at the same time. Now, in your above example, if I activated Icarus attack and targeted Shogun and Grandmaster, you can activate one of their effects to destroy your third Samurai, but let the other target die, since nothing else can be killed "instead" to spare that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥ Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 What about Grandmaster's effect? Supposing they all do get destroyed, Shien and the Six Samurai would be in the Graveyard, so would I be able to activate his effect to bring back the other Six Samurai? Or can it only target other Six Samurai monsters that have been sent to the Graveyard from before? And on a side note, although I should be correct, but I'm just checking here, if Return of the Six Samurai would kill a Six Samurai, I could activate its effect to kill another, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 What about Grandmaster's effect? Supposing they all do get destroyed, Shien and the Six Samurai would be in the Graveyard, so would I be able to activate his effect to bring back the other Six Samurai? Or can it only target other Six Samurai monsters that have been sent to the Graveyard from before? Grandmaster's effect activates in the graveyard, after the destruction effect resolves. So you can target any of the Six Samurai monsters in the graveyard, even the ones sent to the graveyard with Grandmaster, or even Grandmaster itself (it has "Six Samurai" in its name). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥ Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Aweshome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 What are the two smartest cards to target with Prohibition against popular decks? So far, I have: X-Sabers 1st: Darksoul2nd: ??? Gadget Variants 1st: Green Gadget2nd: ??? Happy Herald 1st: Herald of Perfection2nd: Archlord Kristya Quickdraw 1st: Dandylion2nd: Quickdraw Synchron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥ Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Well, it's not necessarily just Green Gadget. Any Gadget in particular. Just target whatever the next Gadget that your opponent will fetch towards his/her hand will be. I'd say use it on Machina Fortress. Insta-own =\. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 SalvoDAD:SalvoDAD Debris-Hime:DebrisDandylion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Coleacanth himself does not have a Continuous Effect that emanates from itself though (meaning flipping him face-down will have no affect on any of its effects). Coleacanth only applies a Continuous Effect on the monsters it Special Summons (The same way Junk Synchron negates the monster it Special Summons). The Continuous Effect is applied to the Special Summoned monsters while they are on the field, whether or not Coleacanth remains on the field or not. Darius' Continuous Effect is applied as long as it targets the GB monster it summoned. That does not fit the definition of Continuous effect, IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Coleacanth himself does not have a Continuous Effect that emanates from itself though (meaning flipping him face-down will have no affect on any of its effects). Coleacanth only applies a Continuous Effect on the monsters it Special Summons (The same way Junk Synchron negates the monster it Special Summons). The Continuous Effect is applied to the Special Summoned monsters while they are on the field, whether or not Coleacanth remains on the field or not. Darius' Continuous Effect is applied as long as it targets the GB monster it summoned. That does not fit the definition of Continuous effect, IMO... That isn't a question.I believe Coelacanth's restriction of the monsters is considered a Lingering Effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Originally, Mystery Guest, it was a question, and you're right Saikano, it does not fit the definition of a Continuous Effect. I was only trying to find where the wikia is deciding to call it as such. It should be labeled as a Lingering Effect (though I couldn't remember the word Lingering when typing that out, so i just left it as "Continuous" and forgot about it =.=, also left out another paragraph i was gonna say after it >_>) In any case, it would be best not to consider Coleacanth as Continuous as he himself does not have one. Darius is though as he targets the monster. Lingering Effect is the better term for what Coleacanth and Junk Synchron do. In any case, to be clear, these Lingering Effects cannot be negated (with any cards anyway) as they are already in effect due to a successful resolution of the monster that Summoned it. The usual way around this is to remove the monster from the field or by flipping it face-down. Sorry for that confusion >_>; I just did poorly explaining it where Mystery Guest does it by finding the right word for it Dx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 N00b question. Does Magic Cylinder start a chain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 N00b question. Does Magic Cylinder start a chain? Yes. Only Continuous Effects do not start chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Ok thanks. That will hep me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDKMRV Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 If I play Wattcube and equip it to a thunder-type monster, then can I send Wattcube to the graveyard the same turn I activated it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Would using summon chants on my Synchro Monsters while pulling them out of my Extra Deck in a tournament setting constitute stalling? What if I were to use one when I was Normal Summoning a monster? Yes, this is a fully serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 If I play Wattcube and equip it to a thunder-type monster, then can I send Wattcube to the graveyard the same turn I activated it? Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Would using summon chants on my Synchro Monsters while pulling them out of my Extra Deck in a tournament setting constitute stalling? What if I were to use one when I was Normal Summoning a monster? Yes, this is a fully serious question. Depends on whether your opponent want to rule shark you or not. If I were you I would not do it. Most players there tend to take this way to seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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