Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Just one. I know, they would be much better if you could add all three.

[Zyirth]

Question:

 

How does the LS draw engine work?

 

you see, I'm trying to make a deck revolving around the new Herald Ritual that came out in TSHD. just for fun, and to try and see if it's any decent. since I'll be needing a surplus of fairies on hand for negation and whatnot, I thought about the LS engine that people used to talk about. I saw Shire, that lightsworn fairy, and thought that it was something like:

 

x3 Shire

x1 CotLB

x2 Solar Recharge?

 

I don't really know how this should work in support with the Herald deck. not that I'm not really using the other heralds right now since they're a huge waste of resources and the ritual itself works as the three of them combined, so it's better in the long run.

 

any answer or opinion is appreciated.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

LS Draw Engine

 

3 Solar Recharge

1 CotlB

 

thats pretty much it.

and your standard LS, i.e Lyla, Ryko, Garoth

 

I dont think its necessary at ALL to run them with Herald.

 

run the Djinn and tech 2 or 3 ryko's in it to get the Djinn into the Grave.

along with the ritual support (Preparation of Rites etc)

[Zyirth]

LS Draw Engine

 

3 Solar Recharge

1 CotlB

 

thats pretty much it.

and your standard LS' date=' i.e Lyla, Ryko, Garoth

 

I dont think its necessary at ALL to run them with Herald.

 

run the Djinn and tech 2 or 3 ryko's in it to get the Djinn into the Grave.

along with the ritual support (Preparation of Rites etc)

[/quote']

 

Hm, that could work too....the main gripe I have is that I'll be needing the fairies on hand and such, since they'd be the main source of negation against the opponent. I was going to throw in beckoning light and use lots of LIGHT fairies, and such....

 

Also, I saw a deck that revolved more about low-level vanilla Fairies on the your deck section...the idea's interesting but....seems unconventional, heh. probably will post my own build on that section, soon enough.

[BDKMRV]

Can SDDAM negate Battle Fader?

 

Does Skill Drain negate Brionac?

[-Griffin]

Can SDDAM negate Battle Fader?

 

Does Skill Drain negate Brionac?

 

Yes.

 

Yes, but Brio can still discard.

[darkwolf777]

Can SDDAM negate Battle Fader?

 

Yes' date=' Battle Fader is a Trigger Effect and can be chained to by SD/AM.

 

Does Skill Drain negate Brionac?

 

Yes, since Brionac resolves while on the field.

[bthepanda]

King Tiger Wanghu doesn't destroy a monster with Black Garden because that's an ignition effect, right?

 

Does he work with Burden of the Mighty though?

[Mysty]

King Tiger Wanghu doesn't destroy a monster with Black Garden because that's an ignition effect' date=' right?

 

Does he work with Burden of the Mighty though?

[/quote']

 

Correct, although ignition effect may not be the term to define it.

 

Yes. KTW works with Continuous effects.

[darkwolf777]

King Tiger Wanghu doesn't destroy a monster with Black Garden because that's an ignition effect' date=' right?

 

Does he work with Burden of the Mighty though?

[/quote']

Correct, although ignition effect may not be the term to define it.

 

Not exactly the reasoning though.

 

The monster is successfully summoned with its ATK intact as it is.

 

Black Garden effect is not Continuous, the effect of Black Garden that halves the ATK is a Trigger Effect to the response of the Normal Summon, just like Wanghu triggers to the Normal Summon.

 

Since the ATK reduction doesn't happen until Black Garden resolves, its impossible for Wanghu to activate to that summon.

[Megasonicfan]

two questions.

 

First, can i remove counters from Magical Marionette during my opponent's turn to destroy monsters?

 

Second, do Gravekeeper's gain 500 ATK from the field being treated as Necrovalley if Gravekeeper's Priestess is on the field?

[-Griffin]

two questions.

 

First' date=' can i remove counters from Magical Marionette during my opponent's turn to destroy monsters?

 

Second, do Gravekeeper's gain 500 ATK from the field being treated as Necrovalley if Gravekeeper's Priestess is on the field?

[/quote']

 

First: No

 

Second: No

[werewolfjedi]

King Tiger Wanghu doesn't destroy a monster with Black Garden because that's an ignition effect' date=' right?

 

Does he work with Burden of the Mighty though?

[/quote']

Correct, although ignition effect may not be the term to define it.

 

Not exactly the reasoning though.

 

The monster is successfully summoned with its ATK intact as it is.

 

Black Garden effect is not Continuous, the effect of Black Garden that halves the ATK is a Trigger Effect to the response of the Normal Summon, just like Wanghu triggers to the Normal Summon.

 

Since the ATK reduction doesn't happen until Black Garden resolves, its impossible for Wanghu to activate to that summon.

wangu does kill the tokens though, right?

[-Griffin]

King Tiger Wanghu doesn't destroy a monster with Black Garden because that's an ignition effect' date=' right?

 

Does he work with Burden of the Mighty though?

[/quote']

Correct, although ignition effect may not be the term to define it.

 

Not exactly the reasoning though.

 

The monster is successfully summoned with its ATK intact as it is.

 

Black Garden effect is not Continuous, the effect of Black Garden that halves the ATK is a Trigger Effect to the response of the Normal Summon, just like Wanghu triggers to the Normal Summon.

 

Since the ATK reduction doesn't happen until Black Garden resolves, its impossible for Wanghu to activate to that summon.

wangu does kill the tokens though, right?

 

It does

[BDKMRV]

Alright so if Skill Drain is on the field and Brionac plays it's effect, then it doesn't resolve?

[darkwolf777]

Alright so if Skill Drain is on the field and Brionac plays it's effect' date=' then it doesn't resolve?

[/quote']

 

No, it still resolves, just with the effect negated, therefore unsuccessfully. No cards are returned to the hand through Brionac's effect.

 

If Skill Drain is out, a player can still activate Brionac and pay the cost (discarding) if they choose to, but when resolving, Skill Drain will negate the effect, and no cards will be returned to the hand.

[BDKMRV]

Alright so if Skill Drain is on the field and Brionac plays it's effect' date=' then it doesn't resolve?

[/quote']

 

No, it still resolves, just with the effect negated, therefore unsuccessfully. No cards are returned to the hand through Brionac's effect.

 

If Skill Drain is out, a player can still activate Brionac and pay the cost (discarding) if they choose to, but when resolving, Skill Drain will negate the effect, and no cards will be returned to the hand.

 

Oh I see. I understand it now why SDD/SSDAM aren't effected by Skill Drain because their effects activate in the grave, right?

 

Also, can I use Soul Exchange and use my opponents monsters as synchro material

[evilfusion]

No, Soul Exchange only allows you to tribute, and Synchro-ing isn't Tributing, it's sending the Synchro Materials from your side of the field. That's why you can Synchro with a Mind Controlled monster.

[darkwolf777]

Oh I see. I understand it now why SDD/SSDAM aren't effected by Skill Drain because their effects activate in the grave' date=' right?

[/quote']

 

Close. Both Stardust Dragon and SD/AM both activate on the field. Their effects resolve in the Graveyard.

 

Skill Drain only negates the effects of Face-up monsters on the field.

 

It is because the effect resolves in the Graveyard that their effects are not negated (where Skill Drain can no longer negate the effect because Skill Drain only affects "face-up" monsters on the field, where a monster in the Graveyard does not fall under that category).

 

In the Brionac example, Brionac activates on the field and resolves on the field. Because Brionac resolves on the field, Skill Drain can negate it.

[BDKMRV]

Oh I see. I understand it now why SDD/SSDAM aren't effected by Skill Drain because their effects activate in the grave' date=' right?

[/quote']

 

Close. Both Stardust Dragon and SD/AM both activate on the field. Their effects resolve in the Graveyard.

 

Skill Drain only negates the effects of Face-up monsters on the field.

 

It is because the effect resolves in the Graveyard that their effects are not negated (where Skill Drain can no longer negate the effect because Skill Drain only affects "face-up" monsters on the field, where a monster in the Graveyard does not fall under that category).

 

In the Brionac example, Brionac activates on the field and resolves on the field. Because Brionac resolves on the field, Skill Drain can negate it.

 

Alright I understand it clearly now.

My friends are a little confused on why it isn't negated by Skill Drain, so yeah. Thanks.

[crimsonwendy]

If Genex Neutron was sent to the Graveyard by Torrential Tribute and you use Call of the Haunted do you still get its effect.

 

Also if you have a Des Frog, a Dupe Frog, and a Ronintoadin on the field and you activate the effect of Des Croaking and your opponent then activates Skill Drain would it effect Des Croaking?

 

For that matter dose Skill Drain or Angel 07 effect cards like Ronintoadin, Dupe Frog, Harpies Lady 1, 2, 3 or Cyber Harpie with its effect to count as another monsters?

[darkwolf777]

If Genex Neutron was sent to the Graveyard by Torrential Tribute and you use Call of the Haunted do you still get its effect.

 

If Genex Neutron is removed from the field before its effect can activate in the End Phase' date=' then its effect will not activate even if that same Genex Neutron is returned to the field.

 

The scope of the effect is the field. If Genex Neutron left the field, the game has no idea that this specific Genex Neutron you brought back is the same one that was Normal Summoned that turn (even though us as humans would x.o)

 

Also if you have a Des Frog, a Dupe Frog, and a Ronintoadin on the field and you activate the effect of Des Croaking and your opponent then activates Skill Drain would it effect Des Croaking?

 

Having 3 Des Frogs on the field is only required for the activation of "Des Croaking", not the resolution. Changing the names of the "Des Frog" monsters or removing them from the field will have no effect on "Des Croaking" successfully resolving.

 

For that matter dose Skill Drain or Angel 07 effect cards like Ronintoadin' date=' Dupe Frog, Harpies Lady 1, 2, 3 or Cyber Harpie with its effect to count as another monsters?

[/quote']

 

For cards like Ronintoadin and Dupe Frog, whose names are only those names while Face-up on the field, they can be negated by Skill Drain and their names changed to their normal ones.

 

For cards whose names are always another name at all times anywhere in the game (A Legendary Ocean, Harpie Lady 1/2/3, Cyber Harpie Lady), then even with their effect negated, they will still be called by the name listed in their effect, so a negated Cyber Harpie Lady is still called "Harpie Lady", for example.

[Vediavis]

is there a special sort of rules when a thunder monster battles a water monster?

[darkwolf777]

is there a special sort of rules when a thunder monster battles a water monster?

 

No. There are no special rulings for specific Types/Attributes versus other Types/Attributes.

 

Types and Attributes mean absolutely nothing to the core gameplay. It will only matter when there are cards whose effects ask for them specifically (examples would be "When a LIGHT monster battles...", "Search your Deck for an Insect-type monster...", or "Increase the ATK of all FIRE Warrior-type monsters..."),

[Vediavis]

is there a special sort of rules when a thunder monster battles a water monster?

 

No. There are no special rulings for specific Types/Attributes versus other Types/Attributes.

 

Types and Attributes mean absolutely nothing to the core gameplay. It will only matter when there are cards whose effects ask for them specifically (examples would be "When a LIGHT monster battles..."' date=' "Search your Deck for an Insect-type monster...", or "Increase the ATK of all FIRE Warrior-type monsters..."),

[/quote']

 

alright thank you i remembered reading something about that in one of the first yugioh comic books. and was confused about it.