-Griffin Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 You can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnus Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Here's a new question; Mainly as a Secondary Win condition, Would Exodia work well in a Blackwing deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximil Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 MBaaS can negate Bottomless. Kal'ut cannot get around D-Fissure' date=' going to the Graveyard is part of the cost.[/quote']It can't?:DIf you have 3 Glads which have all attacked, which tags first? The orange one? I think you can choose the order. I believe you start sending them back from the deck starting with the ones closest to the Field Spell zone and working your way towards the Graveyard. That's how it always happens when I play WC09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 MBaaS can negate Bottomless. Kal'ut cannot get around D-Fissure' date=' going to the Graveyard is part of the cost.[/quote']It can't?:DIf you have 3 Glads which have all attacked, which tags first? The orange one? I think you can choose the order. I believe you start sending them back from the deck starting with the ones closest to the Field Spell zone and working your way towards the Graveyard. That's how it always happens when I play WC09. Point is invalid.WCx never lets the player choose the order of effects when they should be able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Here's a new question; Mainly as a Secondary Win condition' date=' Would Exodia work well in a Blackwing deck?[/quote'] no, it's not a good idea.blackwings don't have the draw power to make it viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnus Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Even if you're constantly shortening your deck from the effects of cards like Blackwing Whirlwind, Shura the Blue Flame, and (Potentially) Fake Feather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Even if you're constantly shortening your deck from the effects of cards like Blackwing Whirlwind' date=' Shura the Blue Flame, and (Potentially) Fake Feather?[/quote']No.It wastes Deck space, and Blackwings, if played right, should win before you have 3 pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Even if you're constantly shortening your deck from the effects of cards like Blackwing Whirlwind' date=' Shura the Blue Flame, and (Potentially) Fake Feather?[/quote']No.It wastes Deck space, and Blackwings, if played right, should win before you have 3 pieces. unless you start with 3, which limits your opitions quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 If Mokey Mokey Smackdown is active, can Mokey's power be increased further through other means, or is it just set to 3000 until the end of the turn? Stupid Example: Mokey Mokey + Axe of Despair + Smackdown. Mokey's ATK is either 3000 or 4000, which? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 If Mokey Mokey Smackdown is active' date=' can Mokey's power be increased further through other means, or is it just set to 3000 until the end of the turn? Stupid Example: Mokey Mokey + Axe of Despair + Smackdown. Mokey's ATK is either 3000 or 4000, which?[/quote'] for constant and equips, 3000+ whatever, I think temp boosts fade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 If Mokey Mokey Smackdown is active' date=' can Mokey's power be increased further through other means, or is it just set to 3000 until the end of the turn? Stupid Example: Mokey Mokey + Axe of Despair + Smackdown. Mokey's ATK is either 3000 or 4000, which?[/quote'] Generally when a card its ATK becomes a set value, then it is set to that value and doesn't change by other effects. If it said "its original attack becomes 3000" then continuous effects could be reapplied onto it once its original attack changed. Its my guess that it is set and stays at 3000, regardless of any other effects applied on it before or after this card's effect for the remainder of the turn (Mokey Mokey Smackdown is a continuous effect after all, and Mokey Mokey Smackdown affects even Mokey Mokeys summoned after its effect was triggered). Any other affects later on that would affect the Mokey Mokey (say Rush Recklessly for example) would resolve and raise its attack by 700, but then reset back to 3000 immediately due to Mokey Mokey Smackdown's continuous effect. I'm at work now, so I cannot try it myself in TF4 to see how it handles it, but according to the wording, i'm pretty confident that should be right. Trying it in Tag Force 4, it does gain the ATK boosts of other continuous effects, though imo is contrary to the wording that's on Mokey Mokey Smackdown, considering its a continuous effect, it should be constantly beating down the 3000 flat ATK since its not affecting its original attack but its "ATK", hence overall ATK. In any case, to answer your question correctly, other continuous effects that can affect its ATK will recalculate after the ATK is set to 3000. If you guys understand what I mean, maybe you can agree that its just worded incorrectly or something (when it should say original ATK of all Mokey Mokey), or if there's something i'm not seeing as to why it would work out like that (considering its a continuous effect constantly making their "ATK" 3000, and not original ATK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Could Black Horn of Heaven stop Gladiator Beasts from returning to the deck to special summon another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 No. It can hit Gyzrus, though, which is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnus Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Question; Is the new Shonen Jump Obelisk the Tormentor Legal? If yes, does that mean it can be used in official duels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Question; Is the new Shonen Jump Obelisk the Tormentor Legal? If yes' date=' does that mean it can be used in official duels?[/quote'] I'll answer your question with a new question. Aside from the name of the card, does anything suggest otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnus Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Question; Is the new Shonen Jump Obelisk the Tormentor Legal? If yes' date=' does that mean it can be used in official duels?[/quote'] I'll answer your question with a new question. Aside from the name of the card, does anything suggest otherwise? I don't know. That's why i'm asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Question; Is the new Shonen Jump Obelisk the Tormentor Legal? If yes' date=' does that mean it can be used in official duels?[/quote'] I'll answer your question with a new question. Aside from the name of the card, does anything suggest otherwise? I don't know. That's why i'm asking. Think for yourself. If you have the ability to read, you can answer the new question I have just presented. Read the card from top to bottom. If nothing says that you can't, then I don't see why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnus Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Question; Is the new Shonen Jump Obelisk the Tormentor Legal? If yes' date=' does that mean it can be used in official duels?[/quote'] I'll answer your question with a new question. Aside from the name of the card, does anything suggest otherwise? I don't know. That's why i'm asking. Think for yourself. If you have the ability to read, you can answer the new question I have just presented. Read the card from top to bottom. If nothing says that you can't, then I don't see why not. Alright, geez. I just wanted to make sure is all. The last duel I played using this Shonen Jump Obelisk, he told me that it's illegal to use it, even though I described to him that it isn't the same card. It doesn't hurt to be careful, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Question; Is the new Shonen Jump Obelisk the Tormentor Legal? If yes' date=' does that mean it can be used in official duels?[/quote'] I'll answer your question with a new question. Aside from the name of the card, does anything suggest otherwise? I don't know. That's why i'm asking. Think for yourself. If you have the ability to read, you can answer the new question I have just presented. Read the card from top to bottom. If nothing says that you can't, then I don't see why not. Alright, geez. I just wanted to make sure is all. The last duel I played using this Shonen Jump Obelisk, he told me that it's illegal to use it, even though I described to him that it isn't the same card. It doesn't hurt to be careful, you know. Who's "he"? "He" must clearly be an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnus Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Question; Is the new Shonen Jump Obelisk the Tormentor Legal? If yes' date=' does that mean it can be used in official duels?[/quote'] I'll answer your question with a new question. Aside from the name of the card, does anything suggest otherwise? I don't know. That's why i'm asking. Think for yourself. If you have the ability to read, you can answer the new question I have just presented. Read the card from top to bottom. If nothing says that you can't, then I don't see why not. Alright, geez. I just wanted to make sure is all. The last duel I played using this Shonen Jump Obelisk, he told me that it's illegal to use it, even though I described to him that it isn't the same card. It doesn't hurt to be careful, you know. Who's "he"? "He" must clearly be an idiot. Thanks for the information, though. I'll be sure to print out this information to him the next time I duel him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Can you activate Bottomless on a card that cannot be destroyed by card effects? Or is the destruction a primary condition for removing it from play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I believe you cannot activate because part of the effect cannot resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 That's what I thought. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatty Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 No, you CAN activate bottomless. It's just useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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