darkwolf777 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I don't see why "Threatening Roar" isn't on that list, especially since it is chainable. "A Feint Plan" can almost be as good, so long as you control a face-down monster. (though direct attacks would still work, or if they remove your face-downs ><) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Because it's a Trap, and they're asking about cards that can be used while Royal Decree is activated >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I don't see why "Threatening Roar" isn't on that list, especially since it is chainable. "A Feint Plan" can almost be as good, so long as you control a face-down monster. (though direct attacks would still work, or if they remove your face-downs ><) What are some good defensive cards that can be used while Decree is out and don't eat up my Normal Summons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 lol my bad. Oddly enough, I was thinking "Skill Drain", not "Decree" >_>; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monztor Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Scenario: You have "reversal quiz" and "backs to the wall". Backs to the wall is already set for a turn, and you activate "reversal quiz" Reversal quiz has the cost of having to send all the cards in your hand and field to the graveyard, but I'm wondering if its possible to chain backs to the wall to the activation of the effect of reversal quiz? or does backs to the wall have to go to the graveyard before you can activate reversal quiz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 EDIT: Oops. Should have re-read the card. I forgot it was a cost and not an effect >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Scenario: You have "reversal quiz" and "backs to the wall". Backs to the wall is already set for a turn, and you activate "reversal quiz" Reversal quiz has the cost of having to send all the cards in your hand and field to the graveyard, but I'm wondering if its possible to chain backs to the wall to the activation of the effect of reversal quiz? or does backs to the wall have to go to the graveyard before you can activate reversal quiz? You cannot. Sending all cards in your hand and on the field are the cost to activate Reversal Quiz. Backs to the Wall will have been sent to the Graveyard before you even get a chance to activate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 That was my bad. I hadn't seen the card in forever but thought I already knew it was an effect and not a cost. Either way, you could just activate Backs to the Wall first, then go for Reversal Quiz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Do note that you must have a Six Samurai in the Graveyard to use Backs to the Wall. I only reiterate this because one person earlier this week seemed to think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 That's what makes it so difficult to use Backs to the Wall for the FTK engine. Plus it's a trap, so you have to wait a turn after a Six Sam goes into the grave. It's best not to rely completely on Backs to the Wall to make the gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Q: If my opponent chooses to add a Genex to his hand via Vindikite during the battlephase and chooses to activate the effect of R-Genex Accelerator, does the B-Phase continue or result in MP2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Q: If my opponent chooses to add a Genex to his hand via Vindikite during the battlephase and chooses to activate the effect of R-Genex Accelerator, does the B-Phase continue or result in MP2? The Battle Phase continues. Accelerator's effect is activated when a Genex monster is added to your hand from the deck, such as by Vindikite's effect. This is not an Ignition Effect (which can only be activated during the Main Phase), so the monster is revealed and Special Summoned during the Battle Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Question: Do Exceed summons count as a +1 or a -1? I ask this because the underlaid monsters still are "on the field". I know it's not much of an advantage, but the question here is for a bigger one. If a card let you underlay a card in your hand to an Exceed monster, would that count as a -1 too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Question: Do Exceed summons count as a +1 or a -1? I ask this because the underlaid monsters still are "on the field". I know it's not much of an advantage, but the question here is for a bigger one. If a card let you underlay a card in your hand to an Exceed monster, would that count as a -1 too? I think it depends on the effect of the Exceed monster, and what it does with the Exceed Materials. Strictly speaking, it's a -1, since you lose 2 monsters (-2 field) for 1 from the extra Deck (+1 field). The Exceed Materials don't seem to actually count towards Field advantage. Actually, I think that hypothetical card is TECHNICALLY a -2. You use it and a card from your hand (-2 hand advantage), and add a technical +0 to the field. I really dont know enough about Exceeds to know how advantage plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Question: Do Exceed summons count as a +1 or a -1? I ask this because the underlaid monsters still are "on the field". I know it's not much of an advantage, but the question here is for a bigger one. If a card let you underlay a card in your hand to an Exceed monster, would that count as a -1 too? Exceed Summons are -1s (Uses 2 monsters to bring only 1 from the Extra Deck). A card that would allow you to underlay a card in your hand would be a -1. Overlayed monsters do not take up field presence and can almost be considered to be like Counters (except that Exceeds do not lose their overlays when flipped face-down, and Exceed Materials are sent to the Graveyard after being used). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 A card that would allow you to underlay a card in your hand would be a -1. Depends on what the card played was. If it was a normal spell, it would be considered a -2 (the spell and the underlaid card) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 There are different ways of looking at card advantage, but the basic way of looking at it is (most) Exceeds require 2 cards to be played, and they add 1 card presence to the field. Therefore, an Exceed Summon is a -1 action. Depending on the effect of an Exceed Monster, however, it can be different. No cards that I know of yet immediately has an effect when it's Exceed Summoned, but a few can generate immediate advantage after they have used their effects. If you were wondering, using up an Exceed Material to activate an effect, in "card advantage" terms, is not a -1. You are not losing any field or hand advantage by doing it, unless said effect used does as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 When Hyper Librarian is summoned, does his effect activate on his own summon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 When Hyper Librarian is summoned, does his effect activate on his own summon? No, it does not. Even though a monster was Synchro Summoned, the condition "While this card is face-up on the field" was not fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 No, it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Okay, thanks. I knew he couldn't be that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Me: Shura attack, discard Kalut!Opponent: Book. This was in top 8 of my fairly good locals. The above quote is part of my reasoning to the following question: If a monster declares an attack I can Book it, but if the monster is buffed by a card effect (i.e. Kalut) it enters the damage step and Book misses the timing correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 The reason you can't use Book after somebody discards for Kalut is because the game has already moved into the Damage Step (that's when you can activate Kalut's effect. Not any earlier). You cannot chain Book of Moon at this point. You can, however, chain Book of Moon in response to the attack of Shura when the attack is declared. If you decide not to, the opponent may then discard Kalut to gain its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 The reason you can't use Book after somebody discards for Kalut is because the game has already moved into the Damage Step (that's when you can activate Kalut's effect. Not any earlier). You cannot chain Book of Moon at this point. You can, however, chain Book of Moon in response to the attack of Shura when the attack is declared. If you decide not to, the opponent may then discard Kalut to gain its effect. Thanks bro =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 No problem. Keep in mind that no card effects whatsoever are allowed to activate during the Damage Step unless they either A) State that they can be; or B] Alter the ATK or DEF stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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