Zektor Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 well what if you summon it regualry, return it with a card effect, then send it the graveyard, then can you bring it back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 well what if you summon it regualry, return it with a card effect, then send it the graveyard, then can you bring it back? If you return it to the Extra Deck, it will lose its memory of being Summoned in the first place. In that case, it must be summoned again before it can be Reborned again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Q: Just returning to the TCG since April 2010. Heard Sams had nice support, and were pretty decent. What's a stable build gonna cost me, price wise? My price is up to 300$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 @Revenant: The set with all of the new support isn't even out yet, so giving you a price range is impossible. Now, a hypothetical scenario: My Field: Formula Synchron, another monster, face-down Threatening Roar Opponent's field: any monster My opponent draws, optionally does something during their Main Phase 1 and declares an attack with their monster. It it a legal move for me to do either of the following: Declare that I perform a Synchro Summon using Formula Synchron's effect at the end of their Main Phase 1, because they didn't declare the end of the phase.Declare that I activate Threatening Roar at the end of their Main Phase 1, because they didn't declare the end of the phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 @Revenant: The set with all of the new support isn't even out yet, so giving you a price range is impossible. Now, a hypothetical scenario: My Field: Formula Synchron, another monster, face-down Threatening Roar Opponent's field: any monster My opponent draws, optionally does something during their Main Phase 1 and declares an attack with their monster. It it a legal move for me to do either of the following: Declare that I perform a Synchro Summon using Formula Synchron's effect at the end of their Main Phase 1, because they didn't declare the end of the phase.Declare that I activate Threatening Roar at the end of their Main Phase 1, because they didn't declare the end of the phase. It would be an illegal move for them to jump from Main Phase #1 to an Attack Declaration. They have to declare Phase changes and can't just do as they please. Stop their attack declaration and ask them if they're ending their Main Phase #1. If they say they are, then they gave up priority to you, and you can activate your cards at the end of Main Phase #1. Clearly, they can't just jump steps because they want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 It would be an illegal move for them to jump from Main Phase #1 to an Attack Declaration. They have to declare Phase changes and can't just do as they please. Stop their attack declaration and ask them if they're ending their Main Phase #1. If they say they are, then they gave up priority to you, and you can activate your cards at the end of Main Phase #1. Clearly, they can't just jump steps because they want to. I've never once seen anyone declare the end of the Main Phase. Still, thanks for telling me the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I've never once seen anyone declare the end of the Main Phase. Still, thanks for telling me the solution. When you want to move onto the next Phase, you imply you are passing priority to the next player. Main Phases only end when there is nothing activated and both players pass on priority.If you want to use something, you say "before the End of the Main Phase, I...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 It's mostly for ease of play that people don't declare Phase changes, unless they specifically want to activate or bypass certain cards. For example, if I have Mirage Dragon or similar, I make a point of announcing I'm entering the Battle Phase, so that they know they have an opportunity to still activate Traps outside that window. If someone does (due to ease of play) go to attack declaration, state you activate something before the end of the Main Phase, because you have a right to activate effects before Phase changes (Priority and all that). If this sort of thing becomes persistent, insist on verbal announcements before phase changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 If this face-up card on the field is destroyed by your opponent's attack or card effect and sent to the Graveyard, you can remove from play 1 "Nordic Alfar" Tuner monster from your Graveyard during that turn's End Phase to Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. Does that mean that it cannot activate it's effect if it was the one attacking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Wikia has some crappy translation. It's supposed to be:During the End Phase, if this face-up card on the field is destroyed by your opponent's card (either by battle or by card effect)It means that you can ram Loki into something and still revive it later. I think... Now my question to that text - it means that if I play Dark Hole, I can't revive Aesir by its effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 @Revenant. It's gonna be a hell load more than $300... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 If this face-up card on the field is destroyed by your opponent's attack or card effect and sent to the Graveyard, you can remove from play 1 "Nordic Alfar" Tuner monster from your Graveyard during that turn's End Phase to Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. Does that mean that it cannot activate it's effect if it was the one attacking? Assuming that's a proper translation, then no. If its supposed to be one of those "destroyed by an opponent's card (either by battle or by a card effect)" type of things, then yes. Now my question to that text - it means that if I play Dark Hole, I can't revive Aesir by its effect? Correct, because it was destroyed by your effect and not your opponent's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 When making a Plant Synchro deck (Using Spore/Glow-Up insted of Debris. I hate Debris), is it better to put two or three Gigaplant? I have three, but I don't want to overdo it, so there are two in my deck at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 "I hate Debris" So you won't include a good card in your Deck (which would make it 10000x better) because you don't like it? *sigh* I don't understand the logic of those people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 "I hate Debris" So you won't include a good card in your Deck (which would make it 10000x better) because you don't like it? *sigh* I don't understand the logic of those people... I'm not including Debris because only my Dandylion, Lonefire and my tuners have under 500 ATK. In addition, he's only for summoning Black Rose Dragon, which I can summon ridiculously easily, anyways. Debris Dragon presents nothing for me. If you really have a problem, go make your own plant deck with Debris in it, but don't complain to me, please. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 If you really have a problem, go make your own plant deck with Debris in it, but don't complain to me, please. You make it sound like Debris will cause him problems, when plant decks have topped YCSs with 2-3 Debris mained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 2 Dandylions and 2 Lonefires are more than enough targets for Debris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 One of your targets is Lonefire? Oh no! You can search any Plant from your deck, because when you Tribute it for its effect, it's no longer on the field and thus no longer negated. One of your targets is Dandylion? Oh no! You can Synch for a level 7 Dragon and still get Tokens! The reason Debris is used in that deck is BECAUSE it has those targets. But to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 One of your targets is Lonefire? Oh no! You can search any Plant from your deck, because when you Tribute it for its effect, it's no longer on the field and thus no longer negated. Wait, IT WORKS THAT WAY?! F**k, WC10 was misleading me for months <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 One of your targets is Lonefire? Oh no! You can search any Plant from your deck, because when you Tribute it for its effect, it's no longer on the field and thus no longer negated. One of your targets is Dandylion? Oh no! You can Synch for a level 7 Dragon and still get Tokens! The reason Debris is used in that deck is BECAUSE it has those targets. But to each their own. Thank you. I still am trying to figure out between two or three Gigaplant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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darkwolf777 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 One of your targets is Lonefire? Oh no! You can search any Plant from your deck, because when you Tribute it for its effect, it's no longer on the field and thus no longer negated. Wait, IT WORKS THAT WAY?! F**k, WC10 was misleading me for months <_< It does NOT work this way. Lonefire's effect is negated by Debris Dragon's Summoning Effect. Since Lonefire's effect activates on the field, Lonefire's effect will be negated by Debris Dragon, even if Lonefire is no longer on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Then I'm thinking of a different ruling. Probably mixed it up with Skill Drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Then I'm thinking of a different ruling. Probably mixed it up with Skill Drain. Yes, Skill Drain is the only card that specifically states it negates face-up monster cards on the field, meaning if they are no longer face-up, they are no longer negated. If a monster is negated due to an effect that has been applied onto a monster (such as Debris Dragon, Junk Synchron, Forbidden Chalice, etc) then if the card activates on the field, its effect will be negated, even if that monster is removed from the field before it resolves. If a card is continuously targeting the monster and is negating its effect because of it (such as Fiendish Chain, Axe of Fools, Gladiator Beast Darius, Il Blud, etc), then if the negated card activates on the field, then is removed from the field so that it is no longer targeted by the card negating it, then its effect will resolve successfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 If forced requisition on Face-Up on the field, and a player activates morphing jar. Does the opponent of forced req., after they drew, have to discard the same number of cards the controller discarded? Im pretty sure it misses the timing, beacause my freind thinks this plays out. Help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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