darkwolf777 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Is it possible to use Prisma's effect to treat it as Rainbow Dragon to summon Rainbow Neos while Elemental Hero Neos Alius' effect is active? Can they summon Rainbow Neos together, or does it absolutely have to be Rainbow Dragon and Elemental Hero Neos? You cannot choose "Rainbow Dragon" or "Rainbow Dark Dragon" for Elemental Hero - Prisma's effect. My guess as to the reason is that "Rainbow Dragon" and "Rainbow Dark Dragon" are not a definite Fusion Material Monster of "Rainbow Neos"; you are given a choice as to which to use. The only definite Fusion Material Monster on "Rainbow Neos" is "Elemental Hero Neos" and is the only one you can send to the Graveyard via "Elemental Hero - Prisma's" effect. Basically, "Elemental Hero Neos" is definitely a Fusion Material Monster for "Rainbow Neos". "Rainbow Dragon" MIGHT BE a Fusion Material Monster for "Rainbow Neos", but it is not definite. evilfusion's answer is better since I had no idea that was the case in the OCG. To answer your second question, yes you can use an effect that changes the name of a Monster and treat it as a valid Fusion Material Monster for that Fusion Summon. So if I somehow had a "Raging Earth" treated as "Elemental Hero Neos" and a "Worm King" treated as "Rainbow Dragon", then yes, I could fuse them to make crazy destructive Earth-Attribute Worm Babies... or "Rainbow Neos" if you prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Is it possible to use Prisma's effect to treat it as Rainbow Dragon to summon Rainbow Neos while Elemental Hero Neos Alius' effect is active? Can they summon Rainbow Neos together, or does it absolutely have to be Rainbow Dragon and Elemental Hero Neos? No, you can't use Prisma with Rainbow Dragon. The reason for this is the OCG version of Rainbow Neos says "E-hero Neos + 1 'Ultimate Gem God' monster" (or something like that). As Rainbow Dragon and Rainbow Dark Dragon both have that in their names, the TCG version just stated that either work. The ruling is that Rainbow Neos' second material is non-specific due to OCG wording. You can use Neos Alius as the Fusion materal, provided it has its Gemini effect active, as then its name is considered Ehero Neos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 No, you can't use Prisma with Rainbow Dragon. The reason for this is the OCG version of Rainbow Neos says "E-hero Neos + 1 'Ultimate Gem God' monster" (or something like that). As Rainbow Dragon and Rainbow Dark Dragon both have that in their names, the TCG version just stated that either work. The ruling is that Rainbow Neos' second material is non-specific due to OCG wording. Well that makes better sense than what I said. I had no idea what the Japanese wording was o.x They should've just said "Elemental Hero Neos + 1 "Rainbow Dragon" monster." and it probably would've gotten the job done as that would've included both. APPARENTLY its "Rainbow Dark Dragon", damn the naming conventions used. But then that probably would've caused inconsistencies with "Malefic Rainbow Dragon" which is not an Ultimate Gem God x.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Well that makes better sense than what I said. I had no idea what the Japanese wording was o.x They should've just said "Elemental Hero Neos + 1 "Rainbow Dragon" monster." and it probably would've gotten the job done as that would've included both. No it wouldn't. As the TCG name "Rainbow Dark Dragon" isn't a "Rainbow Dragon" monster. It begs the question why it's Rainbow Dark Dragon, rather than Dark Rainbow Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 No it wouldn't. As the TCG name "Rainbow Dark Dragon" isn't a "Rainbow Dragon" monster. It begs the question why it's Rainbow Dark Dragon, rather than Dark Rainbow Dragon. oh yeah it is Rainbow Dark Dragon isn't it. I was thinking Dark Rainbow Dragon for some reason >_>;; Well then, ignore that then lol Then i'll just say its Konami's fault for not choosing a better way to do it (of course its always Konami's fault). Maybe even "Ultimate Gem ANYTHING" probably would've worked since they're trying to avoid Gods and stuff. No Gods, No Deities (poor "FABLEDS"), etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Though I'm curious now. Is Sin Rainbow Dragon legal fusion material? I dont know how it's worded in Japanese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 This question's led to quite some other stuff. I blame Konami, they can't translate. I guess I'll just need to get three Rainbow Dragon. Damn, that's going to take time. His tin isn't even sold anywhere, and I doubt I'll be getting three in TAEV. Thanks, though. The purpose of the question is that I want to make a deck around Rainbow Neos, because I find his effect pretty good, in addition to being a huge beatstick and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Though I'm curious now. Is Sin Rainbow Dragon legal fusion material? I dont know how it's worded in Japanese. wiki states it as simply "Sin Rainbow Dragon", with no mention to the "Ultimate Gem God" title. That's all the wikia has on it o.x There's no card scan of it if there even is a card yet, and I hadn't watched the movie to know if they simply just call it "Sin Rainbow Dragon". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 This question's led to quite some other stuff. I blame Konami, they can't translate. I guess I'll just need to get three Rainbow Dragon. Damn, that's going to take time. His tin isn't even sold anywhere, and I doubt I'll be getting three in TAEV. Thanks, though. The purpose of the question is that I want to make a deck around Rainbow Neos, because I find his effect pretty good, in addition to being a huge beatstick and all. Well, you can use Rainbow Dark Dragon, too, which can actually be used outside CBs. Wait...no, Regular Rainbow's better now that Sin Rainbow's confirmed to be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 If I tribute opponent's Sangan for Thestalos (using Soul Exchange) whose effect activates first? Sangan's or Thestalos'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 If I tribute opponent's Sangan for Thestalos (using Soul Exchange) whose effect activates first? Sangan's or Thestalos'? This question seems to come up a lot. Its the third time answering it :D Copypasta'd In the TCG, effects which triggered first become the lowest on the chain. In this case, Sangan was sent to the Graveyard first before Thestalos was successfully Tribute Summoned. Sangan becomes Chain Link #1 and Thestalos becomes Chain Link #2. Therefore, Thestalos discards first, then Sangan activates. In the OCG, effects that have triggered at separate times but are activating at the same time follow SEGOC. Your Thestalos becomes Chain Link #1 and your opponent's Sangan becomes Chain Link #2. In the OCG, Your opponent searches first, and then you discard with Thestalos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 And again, TCG has other rulings than OCG <_< When this card is sent to the Graveyard, gain 1000 Life Points. If you control a face-up "Steampower" monster, you can discard 1 card to Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. If you do, remove from play this card when it is removed from the field. Once per turn, you can remove from play 1 FIRE monster from your Graveyard to apply 1 of the following effects:•Inflict 1000 damage to both players.•Return up to 3 of your removed from play "Steampower" monsters to the Graveyard. If I activate the bolded effect of second card, will the bolded effect of first card activate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 No. It returns, which isn't sending, iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 And again, TCG has other rulings than OCG <_< When this card is sent to the Graveyard, gain 1000 Life Points. If you control a face-up "Steampower" monster, you can discard 1 card to Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. If you do, remove from play this card when it is removed from the field. Once per turn, you can remove from play 1 FIRE monster from your Graveyard to apply 1 of the following effects:•Inflict 1000 damage to both players.•Return up to 3 of your removed from play "Steampower" monsters to the Graveyard. If I activate the bolded effect of second card, will the bolded effect of first card activate? No. Cards are "returned" to the Graveyard, not sent there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 If I hit Miracle Dig with Diamond Dude with less than 5 Monsters RFP, can I still use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WattDragon Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 If I hit Miracle Dig with Diamond Dude with less than 5 Monsters RFP, can I still use it? Unless you somehow remove more monsters so you have at least 5, then no, beacause having at least 5 is a condition. You dont have 5, you cant return 3. Hope that helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 If I hit Miracle Dig with Diamond Dude with less than 5 Monsters RFP, can I still use it? The text "If 5 or more of your monsters are currently removed from play" is a Condition for Resolution, not a Condition for Activation. While it is true that you cannot activate "Miracle Dig" if there are less than 5 monsters removed from play, let's say there are 5 monster in your Removed from Play zone, you activate Miracle Dig, and I chain Burial from a Different Dimension, returning 1 of your Removed From Play monsters so that you only have 4 left. Miracle Dig will fail to resolve because the condition for resolution failed (as there must be 5 to resolve properly). Therefore, if you activate Diamond Dude's effect and you reveal "Miracle Dig", you will not be able to active it unless you have at least 5 monsters removed from play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 The text "If 5 or more of your monsters are currently removed from play" is a Condition for Resolution, not a Condition for Activation. While it is true that you cannot activate "Miracle Dig" if there are less than 5 monsters removed from play, let's say there are 5 monster in your Removed from Play zone, you activate Miracle Dig, and I chain Burial from a Different Dimension, returning 1 of your Removed From Play monsters so that you only have 4 left. Miracle Dig will fail to resolve because the condition for resolution failed (as there must be 5 to resolve properly). Therefore, if you activate Diamond Dude's effect and you reveal "Miracle Dig", you will not be able to active it unless you have at least 5 monsters removed from play. So I should just use Burial anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis El Lincer Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 let's say SHOOTING STAR DRAGON declares an attack, opp activates SAKURETSU ARMOR. SSTAR D activates its effect, is it posible to chain a mirror force to this or do i have to chain directly to my sakuretsu... and more important could the damn dragon b destroyed like this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 let's say SHOOTING STAR DRAGON declares an attack, opp activates SAKURETSU ARMOR. SSTAR D activates its effect, is it posible to chain a mirror force to this or do i have to chain directly to my sakuretsu... and more important could the damn dragon b destroyed like this?? Yes, they can activate Mirror Force as Chain Link 3 above Shooting Star Dragon and destroy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeymadman Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 if my opponent controls no monsters and i have mausoleum of the emperor on the field and Lava Golem in my hand, can i make my opponent pay 2000 LP and summon Lava Golem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 no, i don't think you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 if my opponent controls no monsters and i have mausoleum of the emperor on the field and Lava Golem in my hand, can i make my opponent pay 2000 LP and summon Lava Golem? No. Mausoleum of the Emperor allows a player to Normal Summon or Set monsters that require tributes by paying the appropriate Life Points amount. Lava Golem cannot be Normal Summoned or Set, so of course you cannot. Even if you could, You are the one performing the Summon, not your opponent, so you'd still have to pay Life Points, but as mentioned, it is not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis El Lincer Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 If my Opp has a Zombie World active and i have Machina Fortress in my hand, i can still special summon it by discarding the machine monsters from my hand even when they become zombies when they hit the graveyard... also, what would happen with the same machina if macrocosmo is active.. i supose if i discard fortress as part of the cost it wouldn't be special summon from the rfg zone with its special summon condition but what if i discard other machine-type monsters while fortress is in the graveyard??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 If my Opp has a Zombie World active and i have Machina Fortress in my hand, i can still special summon it by discarding the machine monsters from my hand even when they become zombies when they hit the graveyard... Yes, because they are Machine-type Monsters in your hand and those are what are being discard, as Machina Fortress requests. It doesn't matter what they become in the Graveyard. also, what would happen with the same machina if macrocosmo is active.. i supose if i discard fortress as part of the cost it wouldn't be special summon from the rfg zone with its special summon condition but what if i discard other machine-type monsters while fortress is in the graveyard??? You can only Special Summon a Machina Fortress from your Hand or Graveyard. If you only have one in the Hand, then you cannot use itself as a cost for itself since it would be Removed from Play. You cannot Special Summon it if you don't have enough other Machine-Type monsters in your Hand then. If you have one in the Graveyard, then you can discard cards normally to the Remove from Play and Special Summon the Machina Fortress in your Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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