What we can take from Elliot Rogers.

[vla1ne]

OK, it's really old news by now, but i stumbled across a rather excellent breakdown of the Elliot rogers case:

[spoiler:'The video in question']  

 

 

In this video, mike makes some amazing points about the mindset of Elliot rogers, and looking at him, you can seen the strange parallel between his views, and how the media covered the story. So what i want to discuss is: We all know you can't change the past, but as a takeaway, what, if anything do you think could be learned from Elliot rogers, that would help prevent the developing of more people who share his mindset?

 

 

[spoiler=My thoughts on this matter, and in general]

Personally, i think we elevate women to a rather high position in society, he (Elliot rogers) has a decent, if not incredibly twisted point, when he says that everything hinges on female approval for men. In the media, and even in everyday situations, I've seen multiple men be viewed through the lens of 

"would females approve of his actions" and it really does get tiring after a while. Elliot rogers is a man who truly didn't regard other men as human beings, and for a while in my life, shortly after puberty, i had a mindset scarily similar to his. I grew out of mine, but i can see where he's coming from still, many men are raised, and live, with female appreciation at the forefront of their minds from cradle to grave. Their actions are often based upon gaining said approval, or removing it from other men. I currently view men and women as equals, capable of different feats, but balancing each other out. The views expressed by Elliot rogers though, are startlingly similar to the way many news outlets cover stories such as tragedies, measured by how many women and children are killed. In our society, women really are the golden humans, often sheltered, while it's quite common to see men take abuse, and simply be laughed at for their troubles. they appear to be the more expendable of the sexes. I think that people could easily prevent such mindsets, and by extension, avoid such tragedies, if they stopped putting one sex/gender over the other, let people choose what they want, and refrain from making an issue out of the personal choices of one sex or the other. It might not be possible though, because men, for the most part, while they work together easily, fall apart easily in the presence of females, and vice versa. Men have their flaws, and women have theirs, but Elliot rogers couldn't even see the existence of men, much less their flaws. And discovering why that was could give us a prime look, into the mind of sociopaths.

 

 

that's most of what i have to say about that. thoughts and opinions on how you think this case could help people avoid tragedies such as this?

[mitchermitcher]

Elliot Rodger is like, two years ago or so by now? The case was a pretty decent discussion topic within my acquaintances' circle for a while. I even read the 'autobiography' he wrote once and it's honestly well-written on both a technical level and as a narrative. I think he's a genuinely interesting human being and I wish I was able to talk to him at least once, although preferably without a gun pointed to my head. He may be a sociopath but also very much a victim of current society and I can't help but view what he did as an inevitable thing.

 

He's a physically healthy heterosexual male, his lack of value in other men is not completely unnatural. Biologically they have no value to him, and I can understand only bothering to care about what interests you, women. The sad thing is that he couldn't view people as anything beyond their gender and appearances and that superficiality intrigues me since it doesn't necessarily have to come from brain damage or some sort of personality defect he has but instead a result of his upbringing. I hesitate to label him simply as a lunatic and be done with it since there's really always a reason for why someone goes over the edge and pulls a Columbine. Not a justified reason but a reason nevertheless. 

 

I feel maybe it's just easier to blame the society around him for why he's become like that but yeah I definitely do blame that. Social gender equality and a society that doesn't view sexual prowess as a major source of self-validation would really help to prevent cases like this, I think, although whether that's possible or a more ideal society than the one we have, I don't know.

[Dad]

Why does anyone actually give a sheet?  Just another jabroni with an opinion to me.  But if you want discussion, here you go:

 

It's unjust on both fronts.  Women get paid less (more often than not), but men get put through more hoops and jumps and tricks than women do.  From child support and custody battles to being labeled as sexist pigs for daring to make eye contact with another woman.  I don't think it's possible to find a balance that society will accept as a norm.  Rather, Imma just kick society in it's balls or it's pussy and say funk off.  Cuz you ain't about to tie me up in that bullshit.

[vla1ne]

Why does anyone actually give a s***?  Just another n***a with an opinion to me.  But if you want discussion, here you go:

 

It's unjust on both fronts.  Women get paid less (more often than not), but men get put through more hoops and jumps and tricks than women do.  From child support and custody battles to being labeled as sexist pigs for daring to make eye contact with another woman.  I don't think it's possible to find a balance that society will accept as a norm.  Rather, Imma just kick society in it's balls or it's pussy and say f*** off.  Cuz you ain't about to tie me up in that bullshit.

I personally care because it's something that could have possibly been prevented if people understood the causes of sociopaths better. there's definitely more important matters as of late that deserve more discussion, but this one caught my attention due to randomercams' breakdown of it, and i decided that it deserved a decent discussion.

 

as for the women being paid less, they actually make the exact same on average, the higher earned wages come from men being more willing to work longer hours/ not taking maternity leave, so the overall paychecks/promotions are often larger from more hours put in. as for men being put through more hoops, it's often because of men being more willing to jump said hoops. but yeah, while finding a perfect balance is probably impossible, finding a better balance than what we have now is definitely necessary.