Blake Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 2 Gem-Knight Garnet3 Deskbot 0033 Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands1 Cyber Petit Angel1 Deskbot 0013 Cyber Angel - Benten2 Herald of Perfection2 Saffira, Queen of Dragons1 Cyber Angel - Dakini1 Cyber Angel - Idaten1 Cyber Angel - Vishnu3 Brilliant Fusion3 Machine Angel Ritual3 Pre-Preperation of Rites3 Ritual Sanctuary2 Dawn of the Herald2 Hymn of Light2 Terraforming1 Preparation of Rites1 Raigeki ED and a write-up later, no time for it atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Considering the deck's use of Brilliant Fusion, GK's, and Deskbots; I feel the need to ask what the plan is for re-using 001 after going forth with the first use of the synchro play? Right now it feels like running that "3 E-Tele/1 Blue Layer" engine, but without the benefit of Blue Layer's recycle to ensure that E-Tele is always live. I also can't say I'm a fan of the Brilliant engine. There isn't too much that Cyber Angels want immediately in the grave beyond Cyber Petite. The extra normal is nice, but it feels like a round-about method to open up some plays at the sacrifice of the deck's consistency (more chances to brick or open with less-favorable hands). I feel like the Brilliant engine could be sacrificed in favor of bumping Idaten (summoning Idaten and tributing Benten for her summon opens a lot of good combo plays). As well, looking at the Deskbot mini-engine and finding ways of making better use out of it beyond a single synchro play. For S/T; something like Twin Twisters is a lot more needed for Cyber Angels than most decks in my opinion, and not really something that should be taken for granted. Something like 2 TwiTwi with another Terraforming could be solid for the deck's thinning and consistency. For the Extra Deck, a simple fix for 001 situation is to make room for Emeral for the options of Rank 4's. In terms of the early game it may not have an immediate effect, but I feel like it would be a better option than Fairy Cheer Girl in terms of the deck's viability in the mid/long-game for renewing the synchro plays. Personally, I'm a big fan of level 2 tuners to tech, because the Synch 6 plays open a good toolbox and some good plays to work off of. But, I understand that Red Resonator doesn't bode very well with Manju, and that T.G. Striker becomes more situational in its plays. Maybe it can be good to consider, but if you've come to like the plays that Deskbots offer than that's probably best for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 These aren't improvements, more so just thoughts and questions. I know it's critical getting Petit into the Grave, but I've gotta ask, how strong is the Brilliant Fusion play? Manju and 003 are your only Normal Summon plays and you can only do 003 once anyway from what I see. No S/T destruction? I was curious about that as well. For those who're wondering on the Extra Deck, in order: Gem-Knight SeraphiniteHerald of the Arc LightMichael, the Arch-LightswornAbyss DwellerCastel, the Skyblaster MusketeerConstellar Ptolemy M7Diamond Dire WolfFairy Cheer GirlGaia Dragon, the Thunder ChargerGauntlet LauncherInzektor Exa-BeetleNumber 24: Dragon Nosferatu DragulasNumber 39: UtopiaNumber S39: Utopia the LightningPhoton Strike Bounzer EDIT: Dangit VCR, you pretty much said everything I was gonna say (including Emeral which I was gonna mention but decided against XD)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Here's how I see it and mind you I don't play the deck so take my explanation with a grain of salt. No good decks are playing a bunch of traps to warrant S/T destruction. The decks that DO, cannot kill you in one turn meaning the traps solve themselves by giving you free turns to recover resources (resources that are already replacing themselves) Herald and 003 are your defensive cards THAT ALSO double as combo pieces. If they use backrow on 003, they are not using it on a Ritual Summon, if they choose not to you get a free Arc Light that will protect your plays and pay for itself (it does banish a Ritual Tribute from hand so looks like it's immediate use is to rank 4 with Manju) Brilliant Fusion soles multiple Manju is essentially 4 copies of Petit when you need it as well as Ritual Fodder I do wanna suggest that you play trick clown as it lets you get a free 4 to solve 003 --> Arclight and get even more value off Manju and you can get a full tribute off Brilliant (sadly it cannot completely ritual Vishnu but you will most likely ritual summon Vishnu in later stages of the game) I think it's interesting that you choose to go 3/2 Brilliant but concede the ratio of 3/1 003/001 when 3/1 Brilliat has the same success rate of resolving (and there is the concession of 001 being a brick so you choose not to run multiple, but not Garnet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Considering the deck's use of Brilliant Fusion, GK's, and Deskbots; I feel the need to ask what the plan is for re-using 001 after going forth with the first use of the synchro play? Right now it feels like running that "3 E-Tele/1 Blue Layer" engine, but without the benefit of Blue Layer's recycle to ensure that E-Tele is always live. I also can't say I'm a fan of the Brilliant engine. There isn't too much that Cyber Angels want immediately in the grave beyond Cyber Petite. The extra normal is nice, but it feels like a round-about method to open up some plays at the sacrifice of the deck's consistency (more chances to brick or open with less-favorable hands).Why does there need to be a plan for reuse? That's like asking what extra copies of Brilliant Fusion do. It's the same concept, draw once for a power play, which happens to be making a LIGHT Fairy that does everything. It's not like this is a new engine... It was used in Nekroz variants =x I feel like the Brilliant engine could be sacrificed in favor of bumping Idaten (summoning Idaten and tributing Benten for her summon opens a lot of good combo plays). As well, looking at the Deskbot mini-engine and finding ways of making better use out of it beyond a single synchro play. For S/T; something like Twin Twisters is a lot more needed for Cyber Angels than most decks in my opinion, and not really something that should be taken for granted. Something like 2 TwiTwi with another Terraforming could be solid for the deck's thinning and consistency.Not really. Idaten isn't essential, at all. It's a strong search on demand in order to +10 your board, but it's not the best to summon. Yay, you have access to stuff you could have summoned anyway? The Idaten-Benten play is only good when you HAVE to do it. While I definitely would run a third terraforming/upstart, I really don't think Twin Twister is good here, and think it's part of a misplaced mindset. The deck does not WANT to extraneously discard, considering it needs every piece of advantage it has, and the deck doesn't actually fear much in the ways of backrow. Resolving a ritual spell, regardless of the fate of the monster, is often enough, and only Kozmojo/Vanity's have any real impact. I guess strike exists, but eh? For the Extra Deck, a simple fix for 001 situation is to make room for Emeral for the options of Rank 4's. In terms of the early game it may not have an immediate effect, but I feel like it would be a better option than Fairy Cheer Girl in terms of the deck's viability in the mid/long-game for renewing the synchro plays.there's nothing to "fix" about 001 Furthermore, this is ygo in 2016. There is no mid-late game where that potential exists. The games end too quickly. A proactive, instead of resource renewing, draw is more valuable. I could run Emeral over something else, but Fairy Cheer Girl is a go-to R4 in a deck that desperately needs to hold onto its advantage, not to mention wants to find Sanctuary. Personally, I'm a big fan of level 2 tuners to tech, because the Synch 6 plays open a good toolbox and some good plays to work off of. But, I understand that Red Resonator doesn't bode very well with Manju, and that T.G. Striker becomes more situational in its plays. Maybe it can be good to consider, but if you've come to like the plays that Deskbots offer than that's probably best for you.6 doesn't actually offer much. 4 offers you a synchro that can be recycled and resummoned, either as fodder or protection. As for Brilliant Fusion, it dumps petite (which is needed cause funk drawing it) and it gives you the ability to Manju (or Senju, but space) /twice/ in a turn, which is a big funking deal. Nevermind that 003 + Manju is a cheer girl + 2 searches and set. And unlike other decks, additional copies of BriFu have a purpose. Deck isn't scared of backrow, so. Here's how I see it and mind you I don't play the deck so take my explanation with a grain of salt. No good decks are playing a bunch of traps to warrant S/T destruction. The decks that DO, cannot kill you in one turn meaning the traps solve themselves by giving you free turns to recover resources (resources that are already replacing themselves) Herald and 003 are your defensive cards THAT ALSO double as combo pieces. If they use backrow on 003, they are not using it on a Ritual Summon, if they choose not to you get a free Arc Light that will protect your plays and pay for itself (it does banish a Ritual Tribute from hand so looks like it's immediate use is to rank 4 with Manju) Brilliant Fusion soles multiple Manju is essentially 4 copies of Petit when you need it as well as Ritual Fodder I do wanna suggest that you play trick clown as it lets you get a free 4 to solve 003 --> Arclight and get even more value off Manju I think it's interesting that you choose to go 3/2 Brilliant but concede the ratio of 3/1 003/001 when 3/1 Brilliat has the same success rate of resolving (and there is the concession of 001 being a brick so you choose not to run multiple, but not Garnet)I got ninja'd, but you said the same and more. I could fit trick clown, but over what? Second garnet? As for the ratios... IDK, just used to it. I can cut Garnet, and BriFu isn't a 100% dead draw without Garnet, so I guess it works. Also, you can sack stuff in hand + Herald of Arc to Ritual, when needed, so it never really banishes your own sheet unlss you have 6 = 6 plays and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 So Black, when you gonna put up that analysis? Cuz I'm not sure how this deck works with the Deskbots and the Brilliant Engine in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 So Black, when you gonna put up that analysis?Cuz I'm not sure how this deck works with the Deskbots and the Brilliant Engine in it. Deskbots is a 1-card Herald engine. Brilliant Engine puts Petit in grave and sets up Manju + Deskbot if available. I mean, he literally gave some thorough analysis already in his replies to VCR_Cat and Kaiji. Read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Deskbots is a 1-card Herald engine. Brilliant Engine puts Petit in grave and sets up Manju + Deskbot if available. I mean, he literally gave some thorough analysis already in his replies to VCR_Cat and Kaiji. Read it?How is it a "1-card Herald engine"? And why do you want Petit in the Grave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 How is it a "1-card Herald engine"?And why do you want Petit in the Grave? Deskbot 3 summons the tuner Deskbot 1 to make the synchro Herald of the Arc Light You want Petit in grave so the field spell can start recycling your stuff and generate +++++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 How is it a "1-card Herald engine"?And why do you want Petit in the Grave? 1. Summon 003, use its effect to summon 001, make Herald of Arc Light.2. Drawing it over Manju is awful especially due to its level not being good outside of Ritual climbing, and you have the field to summon it from grave indefinitely. (before you ask more questions, it might be best if you try thinking about what do you want to ask first with a clearer mind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 1. Summon 003, use its effect to summon 001, make Herald of Arc Light. 2. Drawing it over Manju is awful especially due to its level not being good outside of Ritual climbing, and you have the field to summon it from grave indefinitely. (before you ask more questions, it might be best if you try thinking about what do you want to ask first with a clearer mind)I didn't know which Herald he was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Well, I would instantly assume that someone would be able to recognize 003 and 001 as a Level 3 and Level 1 monster respectively, so they can't summon the Ritual Herald, therefore what else is left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Replace a Garnet with Kristya? That's all I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 How's 7 Ritual Spell + 5 field working out for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Replace a Garnet with Kristya? That's all I got.I'm torn because it seems absolutely extra dead early, which is overall more important than late... But it seems dead late, too, because you can fill the grave up a bit too much. I'll try it, since IDK how I feel about clown. How's 7 Ritual Spell + 5 field working out for you?If anything, I wish I had more ritual spells, but I acknowledge that I don't really NEED more. I want a 6th field, but idk where to fit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Could you not just go 41 cards for the third Terraforming? It's rather important imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Could you not just go 41 cards for the third Terraforming? It's rather important imo.Yeah, actually better statistically. Don't like Kristya, prefer Trick Clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Yeah, actually better statistically-Given the fact Petit, the one Cyber Angel Ritual, Preparations, Pre-Preparations, Brilliant Fusion, Deskbot003, Terraforming, Sanctuary, Manju, etc are all grabbing sheet from the Deck- And how many of them can play off eachother to search even more stuff/etc- You are literally toolboxing your Deck like there's no tomorrow- Going to 41 honestly will not kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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