VCR_CAT Posted May 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 So I assume Break Sword or Alucard into Ophion in Phantom Abyss as a lock out mechanism for Blue Eyes and Metalphosis? That's honestly pretty dope seeing that you can use one of the Trap to ss back Swords at your leasure I guess you can also make Ophion in Magnet Warriors and Chronomally now thanks to Gorganic Guardian @Edit I was pretty surprised too since it's on your opponent's turn no less! That's basically a two card version of what Ptolo used to be able to do Holy frick I just noticed this was a Quickplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Holy frick I just noticed this was a QuickplayYup! I'm honestly really excited cause you can activate the trap on the opponents turn to summon break, then use this to make Ophion which would buy you some time vs Metalphosis and Blue Eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted May 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Yup! I'm honestly really excited cause you can activate the trap on the opponents turn to summon break, then use this to make Ophion which would buy you some time vs Metalphosis and Blue Eyes Not to mention how Requiem and even Starve Venom offer means for PK's to really beat face against BEWD and Metalphosis in situations they may not have been able to otherwise. So far, PK's are getting some pretty nice new toys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Not to mention how Requiem and even Starve Venom offer means for PK's to really beat face against BEWD and Metalphosis in situations they may not have been able to otherwise. So far, PK's are getting some pretty nice new toysRequuem yeh, but I don't see it for Venom. I thought you could use Dragon's Mirror but apparently you can't Super poly makes Venom work against Phantom Abyss It's a lot of investment IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Unfortunately if you plan to play this in other decks that don't include any of the 3 PKs it's no different than playing 3 rank-ups in that scenario as PKs themselves are not "splashable" unless you have viable means of bypassing the NS or discarding the card The card's major selling point is that you have a comparative advantage just by playing 1 copy in the deck since you already run 9 copies of the card for just 1 card slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Unfortunately if you plan to play this in other decks that don't include any of the 3 PKs it's no different than playing 3 rank-ups in that scenario as PKs themselves are not "splashable" unless you have viable means of bypassing the NS or discarding the card The card's major selling point is that you have a comparative advantage just by playing 1 copy in the deck since you already run 9 copies of the card for just 1 card slot. Things like this is why I wish the level 4 PKs are actually good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted May 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Requuem yeh, but I don't see it for Venom. I thought you could use Dragon's Mirror but apparently you can't Super poly makes Venom work against Phantom Abyss It's a lot of investment IMO Well, I'm keeping in mind that PK's have an easy time dumping materials on the field, and using them as Fusion Materials doesn't keep the deck from keeping plays going and putting more cards on the field. Depending on a given situation, Starve could open up a lot of OTK avenues for PK by allowing them to output a lot more damage in a turn. I mean, I'm just considering that it's A: easy for them to summon, B: super cheap to do so because of how they all float, and C: offers something to the deck that they previously needed some setup and effort to do so otherwise. BUT, this isn't the Starve discussion. I'm more thinking right now of how the RUM's quickplay nature also assists in opening OTK avenues and it adds a lot more to using a Trap's grave summon on a Break Sword beyond just walling up and saving yourself from being killed. Ophion is a good option against a fair number of decks, although not being able to run the lSwarm protection cards to keep it alive on the field. So, it's good as a means to really force them to put the effort into removing it, but thankfully there's plenty of offensive options to keep them going as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 God, I just want to chain this to a kid playing stein and drink his tears as he realizes he wasted 5k :3 I'm more thinking right now of how the RUM's quickplay nature also assists in opening OTK avenues and it adds a lot more to using a Trap's grave summon on a Break Sword beyond just walling up and saving yourself from being killed. Ophion is a good option against a fair number of decks, although not being able to run the lSwarm protection cards to keep it alive on the field. So, it's good as a means to really force them to put the effort into removing it, but thankfully there's plenty of offensive options to keep them going as well. Twin Twister has forced out /most/ non-solemn backrow, and the main forms of removal (Alternate, Super Poly, Kirin) all tend to be above lv 5. It would be nice if we could search pandemic, but as far as the current meta is concerned it's really not a problem Otks are legit too, between Ophion and Break you've ended more than half your opponent's LP. Beatrice or anything at that point can finish em off Ouch MP only It also has utility I guess, not entirely sure why, but you can make things like Rhapsody to cross the 3k barrier. Again not the ideal, but it would have multiple uses I guess Something nobody has mentioned, what about Evilswarm using this card hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 The card restricts you to ranking up in the Maon Phases so its more of an ATK buff than an OTK enabler Yup! I'm honestly really excited cause you can activate the trap on the opponents turn to summon break, then use this to make Ophion which would buy you some time vs Metalphosis and Blue EyesUnless you are doing this T1 you aren't buying time. The format is way too T1 oriented for this to be realistic since this will usually need a board clear even vs weak boards like Kirin + NS Pendulum (plus this is ignoring White Spirit Dragon)God, I just want to chain this to a kid playing stein and drink his tears as he realizes he wasted 5k :3How are you getting a Rank 3 with no mats T1? Breaksword needs to interact with an opponent's card to get rid of its materials, even meme magic like Beatrice sending Farfa won;t work for obvious reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 The card restricts you to ranking up in the Maon Phases so its more of an ATK buff than an OTK enabler Unless you are doing this T1 you aren't buying time. The format is way too T1 oriented for this to be realistic since this will usually need a board clear even vs weak boards like Kirin + NS Pendulum (plus this is ignoring White Spirit Dragon)How are you getting a Rank 3 with no mats T1? Breaksword needs to interact with an opponent's card to get rid of its materials, even meme magic like Beatrice sending Farfa won;t work for obvious reasonsI wasn't thinking T1 tbh, do ya remember back in 2014's October Format where Qli's used to use Heavy Storm to make double shock as a closer vs Dolls Heros and Kroz? I was thinking something similar with being able to close out the grind game vs Blue Eyes or Metals Pendulum decks in general have a really good grind game cause 2 card investment= infinite resources, if you were able to field clear (as you noted) ophion can make their life a little more difficult But you make a fair point since Beatrice can't use it's effect the turn you summon it by inherent rank up The card isn't awful against Spirit fields since outside of Crystal nothing can really beat over Ophion (Break target itself and Spirit, spirit chains) They might be able to wall with Azure, but they can't aggressively field clear with something like Alternate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I wasn't thinking T1 tbh, do ya remember back in 2014's October Format where Qli's used to use Heavy Storm to make double shock as a closer vs Dolls Heros and Kroz? I was thinking something similar with being able to close out the grind game vs Blue Eyes or Metals Pendulum decks in general have a really good grind game cause 2 card investment= infinite resources, if you were able to field clear (as you noted) ophion can make their life a little more difficult But you make a fair point since Beatrice can't use it's effect the turn you summon it by inherent rank up The card isn't awful against Spirit fields since outside of Crystal nothing can really beat over Ophion (Break target itself and Spirit, spirit chains) The might be able to wall with Azure, but they can't aggressively field clear with something like Alternate1st point is irrelevant since this is 2016 You are ignoring Gospel which means a percentage of the time they make Spirit you won't be able to clear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 You are ignoring Gospel which means a percentage of the time they make Spirit you won't be able to clear it.Ouch, forgot about that. Uh well, maybe Ophion is just cute after all. I'm not sure I subscribe to the t1 or bust theory, but it's quite possible I'm wrong here, Guess we'll just have to see if Ophion plays are a thing or not Honestly a damn shame that Oroborus targets for his second effect Alchemic Magician to set MC2/Twin Twister? 3 Mat #86 is Ok, but you could just as easily get over 3k by using a #80 on just about anything Yeah I got nothing too amazing in the r4nk department R5nk Shark Fortress for OTK?Crimson Knight could steal a spirit I guess?Azz is the obv cock block to go for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Oh look, the Phantom Knights RUM secretly supports #56 Djinn Buster since it detaches 2 materials for its effect, and turn it into C65 Overfiend, Break Sword, Gorgonic Guardian, Alucard, etc. Oh wait, that card is barely played, if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Aside from having some generic-ness buffs and making things like Rhapsody live, the RUM is a super gimmick that restricts on Main Phase so you can't do a lot of battle shenanigans with it. Granted you can go into any other DARK after the rank-up, but... I had realized that Phantom Knights do use this card very well after all. In at least something like a PK build without BA, Break Sword pops itself and spawns 2 PKs from grave to make Dark Rebellion. If you detached Boots or had Boots in grave, banish it and add the RUM...a true searchable RUM card. Then upgrade DRXD into the single-use Infinity. Then after using the negation effect, you can summon the dead Break Sword so you can wall up and float into more potential PKs. If you use a Trap effect to summon Break Sword, you can do the same and rank-up Break Sword into a DARK R4 like Beetle, Nightmare, or...DRXD. Even though Requiem is still kinda lame that it is dependent on DRXD as material and tries to be generic with some buffed but silly gimmick effects, it and the RUM shines best in PKs. After all, you can search the RUM and make use of Requiem good enough as a board setup and combo well. You tried Konami, but at least this is something fit for Yuto and not anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 At first I was kinda mad this "outcassed" Crystal Wing, until I realised that card is way easier to make, and gives zero fucks if you did it properly, while this basically needs you to make it a very specific way to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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